I said vaccines *reduce* transmission.
Only on the potential of severe disease hence why it’s only being offered to certain groups.I said vaccines *reduce* transmission.
If you do not have COVID, you cannot pass it on.
Effectiveness has not dropped to 0%, thefore vaccination still plays a role in reducing transmission on a population level - it is simple. I suspect you are misunderstanding what "gov scientists" have said.
I never made any claims about herd immunity (not affect), and have said several times vaccines are just one measure in reducing harmful impacts of coronavirus, and all measures have a cost benefit ratio
You misunderstand - vaccination still reduces the likelihood of being infected with coronavirus.
No vaccine is
so you must accept there’s been more at play than vaccines alone, they’re only a tool, linking articles stating they’ve stopped thousands of deaths is not worth the paper it’s written on for a constantly changing mild disease for most people.
Be honest now - are you actually reading my posts or do you just want to argue with someoneNo vaccine is
Like I say if’s and maybe’s don’t count as concrete data there’s no point repeating myself over and over as it’s not registering.Be honest now - are you actually reading my posts or do you just want to argue with someone
Literally from what you're replying to:
"......have said several times vaccines are just one measure in reducing harmful impacts of coronavirus, and all measures have a cost benefit ratio"
"....vaccination still *plays a role* in *reducing* transmission on a population level"
As for the article I linked which described a publication in the Lancet (many many posts ago) - you've still never managed to articulate what you disagreed with apart from the fact the author used responsible & cautious language. It is widely accepted that the coronavirus vaccines have saved millions of lives and we have robust & replicated evidence backing this statement up.
I believe one poster was very upset that the authors could not come up with a precise figure of exactly how many lives have been saved - but as I said, this is the case for all public health interventions that have existed and will ever exist - you work with estimates due to the sheer complexity of this kind of analysis, and typically present the lower realistic estimate as evidence.
I didn't post that, but I agreed with the sentiment.
I have found *some* of the posts gleeful - especially tweets shared from certain disinformation campaigners like Malone.
Especially when some of us have children that had no choice but to be vaccinated to enjoy the simple things in life , atrocious statement to make .
Yes - this is exactly what I mean.
For me personally, I want to know because I want to understand it and how it works. If it's causing multiple mechanisms of injury then we need to find out so maybe things can be done to prevent this from happening. Lots of my family and friends have had it so of course I don't want anything bad to happen, I'm not a psychopath! Definitely question my sanity on a daily basis though
It just reveals their true colours when they attempt to defame others. So incredibly desperate for an argument that they’re making false accusations - not one person here has been gleeful about death. Anyone reading these threads can see that for themselves no one has done such thing. Everyone here who has commented on premature deaths have been concerned, fearful and afraid and that’s been more than apparent from the tone of the posts and the discussions that have followed them.
Me either, but we'll continue to be demonised, because it's far easier to argue against a strawman that they've created as opposed to what we've actually said.
I think it's pretty clear I'm not "desperate for an argument"
Get over it already
That’s going to be quite a climb when there’s still so many reluctant to share their concerns for fear if being vilified .For me personally, I want to know because I want to understand it and how it works. If it's causing multiple mechanisms of injury then we need to find out so maybe things can be done to prevent this from happening. Lots of my family and friends have had it so of course I don't want anything bad to happen, I'm not a psychopath! Definitely question my sanity on a daily basis though
That one stuck with me, as it summed up the callous attitudes I experience on this thread frequently.
As has been said many many times.
Well please pass this on for anyone who has been vaccine injured. They shouldn't suffer alone.
