Again - this is a false dichotomy.But it doesn’t stop transmission it’s spreads like wildfire, vaccinated or not the disruption hasn’t been avoided once the wave takes hold
No it’s not, it’s not saying anything of the sort.Again - this is a false dichotomy.
Vaccination reduces transmission, it reduces the "disruption" you're referring to. On a population-level, offering vaccination makes a huge difference.
It's like saying washing your hands before cooking only reducing food poisoning risk by X%, so no should ever bother.
You have completely misunderstood my post.No it’s not, it’s not saying anything of the sort.
Vaccine’s are not hand wash, they are drugs that come with a plethora of side effects.
Side effects for some people, albeit rare. And no one is being made to take them.No it’s not, it’s not saying anything of the sort.
Vaccine’s are not hand wash, they are drugs that come with a plethora of side effects.
They're not vaccinating the population though , so the impact won't be felt ( if there is any ) .Again - this is a false dichotomy.
Vaccination reduces transmission, it reduces the "disruption" you're referring to. On a population-level, offering vaccination makes a huge difference in reducing impacts on *everyone*.
^^ @Emmelina BallYou asked "what would people gain from it?" as it doesn't offer "sterilising immunity". I gave you an answer.
Having an infectious disease circulating at high levels in the population impacts everyone- it sucks up resources. Reducing these impacts (i.e., infections, severity of illness, people on sick leave, hospital care) benefits everyone, and offering vaccination to certain groups is one way to do this.
The suppression measures you mentioned all come at cost -e.g., isolating. Right now the costs outweigh the benefits of those specific policies.
It's strange to me how some people can't see past a dichtomy when it comes to COVID & measures we can use to reduce impacts.
What do you mean?They're not vaccinating the population though , so the impact won't be felt ( if there is any ) .
Side effects are common. Most people get at least one side effect from vaccination. Could be a sore arm at the site of injection, a headache, or even VITT. You yourself had side effects you mentioned earlier no?! Didn’t you say that was expected following vaccination and that’s why you felt it wasn’t covid?!Side effects for some people, albeit rare. And no one is being made to take them.
Not very good examples you’re offering IMO.You have completely misunderstood my post.
This isn't a comparison of vaccines to handwashing - it's about this false dichotomy of claiming that if something doesn't work 100%, it's not beneficial.
I am not talking about an individual getting vaccinated (or not) - I was answering as to what is the point of offering vaccination, & how this benefits the general population.
I assumed you meant the more severe side effects, as I don't think many people would refuse a vaccine if the worst they were gonna get was a sore arm or headache.Side effects are common. Most people get at least one side effect from vaccination. Could be a sore arm at the site of injection, a headache, or even VITT. You yourself had side effects you mentioned earlier no?! Didn’t you say that was expected following vaccination and that’s why you felt it wasn’t covid?!
Only on those that receive it, people can still catch and pass it on .^^ @Emmelina Ball
What do you mean?
As has been said several times, the vaccines are being offered to certain demographics in the population. This will reduce infections, transmission, severity of illness, time people spend on sick leave, hospitilisations etc. This will benefit everyone.
I never said severe. I said side effects. There are many, as you know, you described them earlier didn’t you?!I assumed you meant the more severe side effects, as I don't think many people would refuse a vaccine if the worst they were gonna get was a sore arm or headache.
Yeah and I'll have another one knowing I'm only likely to get a sore arm and maybe some mild flu symptoms for 24 hours. As I believe it's worth it for the protection it offers.I never said severe. I said side effects. There are many, as you know, you described them earlier didn’t you?!
Again - you misunderstand.Only on those that receive it, people can still catch and pass it on .
You can still get the mild flu symptoms for free they don’t stop you catching itYeah and I'll have another one knowing I'm only likely to get a sore arm and maybe some mild flu symptoms for 24 hours. As I believe it's worth it for the protection it offers.
That’s good for you, doesn’t change my point, if anything it confirms what I was saying so thanks for thatYeah and I'll have another one knowing I'm only likely to get a sore arm and maybe some mild flu symptoms for 24 hours. As I believe it's worth it for the protection it offers.
I don’t believe it I’ve seen the proof first hand.Again - you misunderstand.
Firstly, vaccination reduces likelihood of both infection & transmission.
Secondly - reducing the impacts of coronavirus (or any infectious disease) benefits everyone. Even if you personally are at zero risk of getting COVID. We all lose out when resources are being sucked up by an infectious disease, which is why it makes sense to try and mitigate it's impacts.
They don't 100% stop it, but they reduce the chance.You can still get the mild flu symptoms for free they don’t stop you catching it
No worries. Your anti vaxx shite will never work on me, so matter how hard you try.That’s good for you, doesn’t change my point, if anything it confirms what I was saying so thanks for that
They don’tThey don't 100% stop it, but they reduce the chance.
No worries. Your anti vaxx shite will never work on me, so matter how hard you try.
Proof of what specifically?I don’t believe it I’ve seen the proof first hand.
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