COVID-19 vaccine #11 and general vaccine conversation

[Purrrrrrr]

Once again I will say this. As a immunocompromised, almost 64 yo with lungs in awful condition
do NOT do anything for me. I will look after myself like I have for years against the flu. You look after yourself and I will look after me.
At least now people are not going out to work/shopping etc with awful coughs colds and even flu, so now I actually feel safer than I have most winters for many years.

So please keep that up if you are worried about me and people like m, if you are poorly stay home.

 

[scarymary1983]

I am in a world where I care about others. As do many other people around me. The vaccine doesn’t equate to caring. True caring would be respecting people’s individual choices. It’s not my fault the programming of fear has effected you so much you view using your own bodies immune system as risky, if healthy, and selfish. I would rather my vaccines went to people who actually needed them.
Imagine caring that freedoms are being stripped
I wonder why there is a huge increase in still births and miscarriages in non-covid but vaccinated mothers?

I am fascinated by the humanitarian slant on taking the vaccine though. Does it make you feel superior and more caring getting jabbed? Because getting jabbed doesn’t help anyone but yourself, apparently, even though you can have covid and make a full recovery without It. Including no medical intervention, if you are healthy.

Couldn't agree with this more, dunno how people are like I'm taking the vaccine to protect others, sorry but how exactly does that work? My mother is working in a vaccination centre and is starting on the 5 to 11 year olds this week and I said to her why would anyone be getting their kids vaccinated when they don't get sick from covid and she's like oh well maybe they have vulnerable people at home like it doesn't stop transmission!!!
Also would be really interested to see the stats on pregnancy loss if you can share as that is my primary reason for not getting it.

 

[Cupcakemum]

Imagine a world in which people cared about others.
Imagine being a healthcare worker and watching healthy people die. Of ALL ages. Pregnant women have to have their babies preterm , and then die themselves in ITU. Alone. Imagine one of your eldest friends being in ITU right now due to Covid. Not hysterical just sad. And glad to their bit for humanity.

Imagine being one of the 160,000 health care workers that have seen people dying, possibly caught covid themselves helping those people, and been fine - and despite seeing all that are now being forced to take a vaccine they don't want or need or they lose their jobs.
Imagine being clapped for and put on a pedestal for 2yrs by the very same people that will now sack them...

Even though they still can catch the virus, pass on the virus, be incredibly ill and still have to take time off when they catch it

 

[Prefrontalmedialcortex]

Many times I read comments about ‘respecting people’s choices’ regarding the vaccine or ‘I don’t care if you choose to take the vaccine’ but so many comments just go against all of this.

I wonder why there is a huge increase in still births and miscarriages in non-covid but vaccinated mothers?

There were figures published not long ago and there was no difference between the two.

 

[Sea]

Where are the human rights organisations for fighting for human choices or are they also on "the greater good" spiel.

 

[klarakluckbag]

I wonder why there is a huge increase in still births and miscarriages in non-covid but vaccinated mothers

I don't usually post on here, but I can't let this slide..^^^
I work in a very large midwifery department in a London hospital, alongside colleagues from several other hospitals in the capital. We have not seen any increase in stillbirth or miscarriage amongst women who have been vaccinated. What we have seen is an increase in admissions amongst non-vaccinated pregnant women. I personally have met several women who had to give birth early as they were admitted to HDU/ICU because they were extremely unwell with Covid. (All have recovered, thankfully) I have also met a couple of women who have been left with long-term consequences of Covid, including a woman in her late 20's who has cardiac and respiratory issues and is now facing cardiac surgery to repair the damage to her heart. She had no previous health issues, I know this because I cared for her during her previous pregnancy.

I wouldn't dream of telling anyone what to do, but in my capacity as a healthcare provider, I have a duty to inform patients of the facts. Which are provided for us by medical specialists. I'm not an expert on vaccines or virus outbreaks, but I can see that women need protecting from blatant misinformation like that given above.

 

[Prefrontalmedialcortex]

I don't usually post on here, but I can't let this slide..^^^
I work in a very large midwifery department in a London hospital, alongside colleagues from several other hospitals in the capital. We have not seen any increase in stillbirth or miscarriage amongst women who have been vaccinated. What we have seen is an increase in admissions amongst non-vaccinated pregnant women. I personally have met several women who had to give birth early as they were admitted to HDU/ICU because they were extremely unwell with Covid. (All have recovered, thankfully) I have also met a couple of women who have been left with long-term consequences of Covid, including a woman in her late 20's who has cardiac and respiratory issues and is now facing cardiac surgery to repair the damage to her heart. She had no previous health issues, I know this because I cared for her during her previous pregnancy.

I wouldn't dream of telling anyone what to do, but in my capacity as a healthcare provider, I have a duty to inform patients of the facts. Which are provided for us by medical specialists. I'm not an expert on vaccines or virus outbreaks, but I can see that women need protecting from blatant misinformation like that given above.

Thank you for adding onto this.

 

[Sea]

There is definitely an issue with vaccinated women/girls and effects on periods (me included). This is not being discussed enough/since on mainstream media.

 

[Purrrrrrr]

There is definitely an issue with vaccinated women/girls and effects on periods (me included). This is not being discussed enough/since on mainstream media.

Exactly. I cannot see how it isn't affecting pregnancy, birth or conceiving

 

[Lisdiz]

I don't usually post on here, but I can't let this slide..^^^
I work in a very large midwifery department in a London hospital, alongside colleagues from several other hospitals in the capital. We have not seen any increase in stillbirth or miscarriage amongst women who have been vaccinated. What we have seen is an increase in admissions amongst non-vaccinated pregnant women. I personally have met several women who had to give birth early as they were admitted to HDU/ICU because they were extremely unwell with Covid. (All have recovered, thankfully) I have also met a couple of women who have been left with long-term consequences of Covid, including a woman in her late 20's who has cardiac and respiratory issues and is now facing cardiac surgery to repair the damage to her heart. She had no previous health issues, I know this because I cared for her during her previous pregnancy.

I wouldn't dream of telling anyone what to do, but in my capacity as a healthcare provider, I have a duty to inform patients of the facts. Which are provided for us by medical specialists. I'm not an expert on vaccines or virus outbreaks, but I can see that women need protecting from blatant misinformation like that given above.

Not going to argue with you, I would rather I was wrong over such a heartbreaking fact, I also wouldn’t knowingly spread false information. So if I am wrong, I apologise. However, there are pockets of strange occurrences happening, whatever the reason……

 

[Prefrontalmedialcortex]

Not going to argue with you, I would rather I was wrong over such a heartbreaking fact, I also wouldn’t knowingly spread false information. So if I am wrong, I apologise. However, there are pockets of strange occurrences happening, whatever the reason……

This has also been fact checked.

In a video shared in the Gateway Pundit article, Nagase named Dr. Mel Bruchet — a former family doctor from Vancouver who has also advocated for the use of ivermectin on COVID-19 patients — as the individual who shared the information about the Vancouver stillbirths with him.

“That is what I heard, but the thing is I also heard a similar story out in Waterloo, Ontario. So, in Waterloo, Ontario, I have a more reliable statistic that there was 86 stillbirths between January and July,” Nagase said. “Normally, it’s only five or six stillbirths every year. So, about one stillbirth every two months is the usual rate. So, to suddenly get to 86 stillbirths in six months, that’s highly unusual. But, the most important confirmation that we have from the Waterloo, Ontario report was that all of the 86 stillbirths were fully vaccinated.”

Nagase nodded his head “yes” when asked in the video if he meant all the stillbirths involved fully vaccinated mothers.

But Celso Pereira, a spokesperson for the regional health authority Vancouver Coastal Health, told us in an email that VCH was “aware of disinformation spreading on social media regarding stillbirths at Lions Gate Hospital (LGH) as a result of mothers having been vaccinated against COVID-19.”

“There is no truth to this claim and the individuals spreading this false information have no affiliation to either Lions Gate Hospital or Vancouver Coastal Health,” Pereira said.

Doctor Makes False Claim About Stillbirths in Canadian Hospitals - FactCheck.org

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends COVID-19 vaccines for pregnant people, and the World Health Organization says the vaccines are safe for them. Yet online articles cite a Canadian doctor who falsely claims that the vaccines have caused an unusually high number of...

www.factcheck.org

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6261062

 

[ChineseAlan]

Is the advice in wales to still work from home? My son and husband were working from home just before Christmas, then the government came in and said they’d fine employers who don’t allow their employees to work from home. Is this still in place does anyone know? My son doesn’t know what his employer will expect from him next week when he returns to work, they weren’t happy about him working from home before Christmas despite the government rules, yet he can work fine from home.

 

[Cupcakemum]

I don't think that speculating about stillbirths is a bad thing. The same happened with the blood clots and menstrual problems, and both her found to be true.
I hope with all my heart that women aren't losing their babies due to vaccines, but there is a study going on in Scotland because of a worrying rise.
Deaths haven't gone into dangerous figures, but there's a rise nonetheless.

 

[Freedomofspeech89]

Not going to argue with you, I would rather I was wrong over such a heartbreaking fact, I also wouldn’t knowingly spread false information. So if I am wrong, I apologise. However, there are pockets of strange occurrences happening, whatever the reason……

I think what also can't be ignored is what possible long term affects these vaccines could have on infants who were born to vaccinated mothers. There is no long term data on this and that is a fact, so we could see the impact years later as well.

I mean just look at the long term impact of this drug being reported on, and this was administered in the 1940s!

 

[rainbowlemon]

Couldn't agree with this more, dunno how people are like I'm taking the vaccine to protect others, sorry but how exactly does that work? My mother is working in a vaccination centre and is starting on the 5 to 11 year olds this week and I said to her why would anyone be getting their kids vaccinated when they don't get sick from covid and she's like oh well maybe they have vulnerable people at home like it doesn't stop transmission!!!
Also would be really interested to see the stats on pregnancy loss if you can share as that is my primary reason for not getting it.

Think we will need more time to see the real effects of all of these vaccines.

A probe in scotland recently opened after 21 newborn babies died in one month.

Kent previously also had a scandal of poor maternal care and preventable baby deaths .

Doctor Makes False Claim About Stillbirths in Canadian Hospitals - FactCheck.org

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends COVID-19 vaccines for pregnant people, and the World Health Organization says the vaccines are safe for them. Yet online articles cite a Canadian doctor who falsely claims that the vaccines have caused an unusually high number of...

www.factcheck.org

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

I think what also can't be ignored is what possible long term affects these vaccines could have on infants who were born to vaccinated mothers. There is no long term data on this and that is a fact, so we could see the impact years later as well.

I mean just look at the long term impact of this drug being reported on, and this was administered in the 1940s!

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This is my thinking. People keep saying the vax is safe for pregnant mothers because babies are not miscarrying or being born with health issues.

But we won't know about long term development issues or health problems for a while. We don't actually know if there are any long term effects for the babies getting this vax while in utero.

 

[cill2019]

When I was talking to someone about my choice to not have the vaccine I mentioned thalidomide. To this I was told “medicine has come a long way since then, it’s totally different”
No I’m sorry I don’t think it is. Yes medicine has come on leaps and bounds BUT at that time in history doctors were told it was safe, when in fact the pharmas knew it wasn’t. Where’s the difference?!

 

[LimaNovember]

When I was talking to someone about my choice to not have the vaccine I mentioned thalidomide. To this I was told “medicine has come a long way since then, it’s totally different”
No I’m sorry I don’t think it is. Yes medicine has come on leaps and bounds BUT at that time in history doctors were told it was safe, when in fact the pharmas knew it wasn’t. Where’s the difference?!

It is very similar because we are the Guinea pigs for the pharmaceutical industry and they are immune from any responsibility should we fall ill or miscarry.

When the vaccine was first released, I had a friend who posted that anyone against the vaccine could 'eat tit'.

But I'd rather eat tit than inject it.

Also, after her nth vaccine, she tested positive for covid the other day. I'm unvaxxed and a covid virgin.

 

[cill2019]

It is very similar because we are the Guinea pigs for the pharmaceutical industry and they are immune from any responsibility should we fall ill or miscarry.

When the vaccine was first released, I had a friend who posted that anyone against the vaccine could 'eat tit'.

But I'd rather eat tit than inject it.

Also, after her nth vaccine, she tested positive for covid the other day. I'm unvaxxed and a covid virgin.

Covid virgin

And wow that’s some statement for your friend to come out with. It really has shown a different side to people

My personal view is I’m 40 this year and incredibly lucky to have a regular menstrual cycle and if we are planning another baby I’m sure as hell not messing with things at this stage in my life. If we are fortunate enough to have another baby and covid is still an issue I will consider the vaccine after that but until then no, I’ll take my chances

 

[Purrrrrrr]

When I was talking to someone about my choice to not have the vaccine I mentioned thalidomide. To this I was told “medicine has come a long way since then, it’s totally different”
No I’m sorry I don’t think it is. Yes medicine has come on leaps and bounds BUT at that time in history doctors were told it was safe, when in fact the pharmas knew it wasn’t. Where’s the difference?!

As medicine apparently has moved on we are the most medicated yet sickest people in history. The more it moves on the sicker we get. Everything they prescribe costs money, nothing is free and every sickness needs more and more treatment, even childbirth is a multi-dollar industry.

I have many old remedy books that have helped me a lot and most treatments are already in most cupboards supermarkets, gardens or over the fields and woods.

I tried on another thread about a certain appetite suppressant like you to say about the past and I was laughed at and virtually told to piss off with my negativity and the "old days" had no voice in the new ways,and if they were unsafe they would not be allowed
No unlike the past they have learnt to hide side-affects in favour of the money god in my day these products were taken off the prescription list in favour of people's health, these days they have paid people trauling the internet making out these products work and shut down anyone who has failed or suffered enticing new people along the way.
Diet is another multi dollar industry and if they worked they would die out and no money made, so they cannot let them work, just make the buyer feel they didnt do it right.