Coronavirus Disease Outbreak COVID-19 #45

[monga]

But they’d still be included in the death figures, so it would still reflect upon the situation? If deaths started increasing whilst hospital admissions were falling it would indicate an issue, but would be picked up on in the ONS stats. People have died at home from it, but that doesn’t make a difference to the fact all the figures have fell like admissions, ventilated patients and deaths at the same time.

What I mean is there could be people at home ill now atm that have not sought medical help and they could linger for weeks with symptoms before they seek medical help there is a vast range of symptoms that arise from it as we know .

I’ve already read what you’ve put above and already considered your perspective. I know how it works, I work on an ICU.

Re-quoting it to what I put doesn’t really make much sense. We were discussing deaths at home. Realistically from the initial rise in infections, we’d expect to see an indication of rises in admissions, maybe only small but those who are extremely vulnerable. But we’re seeing nothing.

They did say Leicester had a rise in admissions and we've had a rise in admissions here ,Wrexham also had a rise in admissions ..Different places are obviously affected differently..

 

[xoxo GG]

What I mean is there could be people at home ill now atm that have not sought medical help and they could linger for weeks with symptoms before they seek medical help there is a vast range of symptoms that arise from it as we know .

But you literally said about people dying at home with it?

But if that’s what you mean yes that may be the case. But honestly if they were that ill with it, they’d be going to hospital. The vast majority of people won’t just sit it out at home with severe symptoms, if people were going to hospital at the peak undiagnosed but they felt the need to seek medical assistance, people are most likely more inclined to visit hospitals now knowing the numbers have dropped.

Everybody is guessing, but it’s the one positive we’ve currently got.

 

[Lemonelly]

I’ve already read what you’ve put above and already considered your perspective. I know how it works, I work on an ICU.

Re-quoting it to what I put doesn’t really make much sense. We were discussing deaths at home. Realistically from the initial rise in infections, we’d expect to see an indication of rises in admissions, maybe only small but those who are extremely vulnerable. But we’re seeing nothing.

There’s really no need to be so patronising. It was an accident to requote it which I had been editing.

I’m an ITU charge nurse, however you clearly have a different understanding of how this virus works than I do. I can only assume your board has planned for different contingency timescales than we have.

 

[Abcd123]

we’re back full time, no spaced out in classrooms, set out as before. Like the only thing they’ve done is put hand sanitizer in.

This is going to be me.soon in sept (England). The bottle necks in corridors, yep I'll no doubt be caught up in that too.

Any teachers in England been told they can wear a mask/visor? My school is still saying no to slowing staff and students to wear face coverings...

 

[monga]

But you literally said about people dying at home with it?

But if that’s what you mean yes that may be the case. But honestly if they were that ill with it, they’d be going to hospital. The vast majority of people won’t just sit it out at home with severe symptoms, if people were going to hospital at the peak undiagnosed but they felt the need to seek medical assistance, people are most likely more inclined to visit hospitals now knowing the numbers have dropped.

Everybody is guessing, but it’s the one positive we’ve currently got.

That's why I said time will tell ,but there was a vast number of people that died at home from covid according to ONS I was just using that as an example as to why hospital admissions would be down if people weren't seeking treatment ..

 

[Abcd123]

I don’t know how true this is but makes sense... my mum has heard on tv that the cases are rising because younger people are socialising again but obviously as a general rule they’re much less likely to be hospitalised.

Judging by my social media I'd agree..plenty of my younger family members & my hairdresser & nail tech (early 20s) are mixing. Meeting different friends each day to go out drinking and dining with. Maybe 5/6 friends meeting up together, diff households. We're in a partial lockdown area too

 

[JLXRD]

Judging by my social media I'd agree..plenty of my younger family members & my hairdresser & nail tech (early 20s) are mixing. Meeting different friends each day to go out drinking and dining with. Maybe 5/6 friends meeting up together, diff households. We're in a partial lockdown area too

I do find though my older relatives don't post their social activities on social media the way I would so maybe social media not the best source.

I'm just going by what I've seen in that my mum is in Italy on holiday, my nans been off having dinner parties and my in laws have been at a party at the weekend, but not one of them have posted anything about it on social media because they never do really

However I've been to the pub twice since it opened and both times it required an insta post

So just saying SM not always the best indicator.

 

[Abcd123]

If they have tested positive for COVID then they are included within the numbers.

They don't test a body once the person has died though...

 

[JLXRD]

They don't test a body once the person has died though...

From this it sounds like they do if suspected:

[Withdrawn] Guidance for care of the deceased with suspected or confirmed coronavirus (COVID-19)

www.gov.uk

 

[Abcd123]

I do find though my older relatives don't post their social activities on social media the way I would so maybe social media not the best source.

I'm just going by what I've seen in that my mum is in Italy on holiday, my nans been off having dinner parties and my in laws have been at a party at the weekend, but not one of them have posted anything about it on social media because they never do really

However I've been to the pub twice since it opened and both times it required an insta post

So just saying SM not always the best indicator.

Yes valid point there re older generations won't be broadcasting their social lives. Didn't think of that

 

[monga]

This is going to be me.soon in sept (England). The bottle necks in corridors, yep I'll no doubt be caught up in that too.

Any teachers in England been told they can wear a mask/visor? My school is still saying no to slowing staff and students to wear face coverings...

Our staff and pupils can wear them if they want they've left it up to each individual .I don't see why English schools can't do this Scotland has the same policy I think..

 

[Abcd123]

From this it sounds like they do if suspected:

Healthcare Workers

COVID-19 guidance, tools, and resources for healthcare workers.

www.cdc.gov

My relative is an undertaker and he said they haven't been. They were instead treating every death as covid and wearing PPE (during lockdown when cases were highest anyway).

Our staff and pupils can wear them if they want they've left it up to each individual .I don't see why English schools can't do this Scotland has the same policy I think..

Thanks I'm crossing my fingers that English schools allow this too! I know my colleagues and I would feel far safer

 

[monga]

Judging by my social media I'd agree..plenty of my younger family members & my hairdresser & nail tech (early 20s) are mixing. Meeting different friends each day to go out drinking and dining with. Maybe 5/6 friends meeting up together, diff households. We're in a partial lockdown area too

The scientific data is showing it's younger people more affected atm ..

 

[JLXRD]

My relative is an undertaker and he said they haven't been. They were instead treating every death as covid and wearing PPE (during lockdown when cases were highest anyway).


Thanks I'm crossing my fingers that English schools allow this too! I know my colleagues and I would feel far safer

Ah okay interesting (i put the wrong link to start btw so have changed it in my original post).

It does look like if it is suspected then they can do a swab.


If they put covid on the death cert and it's unconfirmed how is that reported now?

The scientific data is showing it's younger people more affected atm ..

The thing is they are classing 'young people' as 15 to 44 year olds (BBC article) ... surely that's just a huge chunk of the population anyway?

 

[monga]

My relative is an undertaker and he said they haven't been. They were instead treating every death as covid and wearing PPE (during lockdown when cases were highest anyway).


Thanks I'm crossing my fingers that English schools allow this too! I know my colleagues and I would feel far safer

I think at the height of the pandemic they had to treat as a covid death but as testing became available the box on the death cert is left blank until an official result is obtained according to an undertaker that was on here ..

 

[Lemonelly]

This is going to be me.soon in sept (England). The bottle necks in corridors, yep I'll no doubt be caught up in that too.

Any teachers in England been told they can wear a mask/visor? My school is still saying no to slowing staff and students to wear face coverings...

My daughter is in S6 (Scotland) and the teachers aren’t wearing masks at the front of the room while teaching, but they put them on if they come within 2m of the kids ie chatting at their table. Unfortunately removing all benefit of wearing one as they can’t practice correct mask hygiene when removing/putting on Hope that helps.

 

[monga]

Ah okay interesting (i put the wrong link to start btw so have changed it in my original post).

It does look like if it is suspected then they can do a swab.


If they put covid on the death cert and it's unconfirmed how is that reported now?


The thing is they are classing 'young people' as 15 to 44 year olds (BBC article) ... surely that's just a huge chunk of the population anyway?

But like they've reported previously the majority of the 60,000+ deaths were in the upper age range so most people in that age bracket will have already passed away, so that leaves fewer people in the UK ( England mostly ) susceptible to the virus anyway ,another possible cause of low hospital admissions .But I'm guessing they'll still be thousands of people that were shielding or vulnerable that are still not venturing out as much as they used to and it's those people that it has to work it's way through yet (that sounds awful ) ..

But like they've reported previously the majority of the 60,000+ deaths were in the upper age range so most people in that age bracket will have already passed away, so that leaves fewer people in the UK ( England mostly ) susceptible to the virus anyway ,another possible cause of low hospital admissions .But I'm guessing they'll still be thousands of people that were shielding or vulnerable that are still not venturing out as much as they used to and it's those people that it has to work it's way through yet (that sounds awful ) ..

Edit to say the last person to die here this week is a 32 yr old Romanian woman that worked in a cafe ,so it can claim anybody

 

[idk2]

This is going to be me.soon in sept (England). The bottle necks in corridors, yep I'll no doubt be caught up in that too.

Any teachers in England been told they can wear a mask/visor? My school is still saying no to slowing staff and students to wear face coverings...

I start my first NQT job in Sept and we've been told no masks (Primary) however if govt change stance, I'm sure school will. But tables will be laid out as they have during lockdown, before it was 1 per one table but now it'll be two per table sitting at opposite ends. Doesnt leave much room for things like circle time, guided reading etc which is a shame. Other than that, school are waiting for more guidance from the govt before anything concrete is laid out.

 

[cushtybert]

They've not said anything about daily uniform washing here but face covering for both staff and pupils are at their discretion ..Their really should be some sort of update the scientists must be in hiding Has Custybert Whitty in the red room

I do apologise I’ve kept him rather busy, I might have to uncuff him and let him back out next week

 

[MissPoppyFourPaws]

This is going to be me.soon in sept (England). The bottle necks in corridors, yep I'll no doubt be caught up in that too.

Any teachers in England been told they can wear a mask/visor? My school is still saying no to slowing staff and students to wear face coverings...

My authority says no too. I work in a tiny Victorian building, with a random selection of temporary classrooms, and 210 primary pupils. There will be limited social distancing ........ so it’s all go with hand washing, sanitiser, and D10 purple cleaning. We had 90 pupils attending for the second half of the Summer term, and it was busy then ........ trying to remind Year R pupils to social distance was like herding eels!

I start my first NQT job in Sept and we've been told no masks (Primary) however if govt change stance, I'm sure school will. But tables will be laid out as they have during lockdown, before it was 1 per one table but now it'll be two per table sitting at opposite ends. Doesnt leave much room for things like circle time, guided reading etc which is a shame. Other than that, school are waiting for more guidance from the govt before anything concrete is laid out.

Good luck and best wishes for your new job!