Coronavirus Disease Outbreak COVID-19 #101

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Thanks for posting this. I do not pay for a TV Licence (100% legal - i dont watch live TV nor does any of my immediate family and neighbours). Its legal to read/watch Tattle links though :). Every one has equal choice about Vaccines upto them.

The conspiracy things are on a different thread. Take both/all vaccines offered to you. As soon as they are offered. Students are busy people i know 6 hours study 6 hours bar work 6 hours clubbing :). Takes 30 seconds to have a jab (so 1 minute for 2 jabs). Most on here are 'older' folks, parents etc you can 'order' your kids to get it done. Do it.
who are you to tell anyone to get a vaccine or force their children too?
 
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Hospitals struggling isn't a new thing. The brand new episode this week of Casualty 24/7 filmed at Barnsley hospital recorded before the pandemic has a bed shortage and no beds available in the whole of Yorkshire for children....


Hospitals were built decades ago. In that time the population has sky rocketed not helped by do gooders wanting to allow anyone on to our island no matter what. Now those same sized hospitals that were fine at the time they were built are far too small to cope in the modern day.
My old local hospital (I have since moved) was build as a temporary hospital for WW2. It cannot cope generally, it shouldn’t still be standing but they were thinking of closing the nearest hospital and leaving it to then take the demand of two. Absurd.

Did you not see the G7 pictures?

Everyone was being super good for the cameras with standing socially distanced. Then someone on the inside leaked the pictures of them hugging, shaking hands, eating and drinking all standing up - you know, all the thing double vaccinated and willing to test frequently people weren't allowed to do, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if when the cameras were put away that Sharma and Charles didn't get close.

Thats no conspiracy, so please don't throw that around, it's plain to see and nothing conspiratorial about it.

However, how do you argue your defence when over 70% of people are double vaccinated and still can't travel freely to and from red countries? They tick all the same boxes as the important people
They were working and under government rules they were allowed. So would you if you were attending a conference that needed to go ahead.

I’m sick of this they can do stuff we can’t, it isn’t as black and white as that. They are there on official work therefore it wasn’t the same as Karen getting her yearly holiday to Benidorm in.
 
My old local hospital (I have since moved) was build as a temporary hospital for WW2. It cannot cope generally, it shouldn’t still be standing but they were thinking of closing the nearest hospital and leaving it to then take the demand of two. Absurd.


They were working and under government rules they were allowed. So would you if you were attending a conference that needed to go ahead.

I’m sick of this they can do stuff we can’t, it isn’t as black and white as that. They are there on official work therefore it wasn’t the same as Karen getting her yearly holiday to Benidorm in.
I think merging two hospitals into one is usually because it’s easier to staff one hospital and have all the specialists under one roof because there’s a growing shortage of health care workers and it’s not able to meet the demands so rather than having a hospital in every area they have main hospitals more widespread if that makes sense. Then they open up hubs for things like minor injuries and out of hours to cater to meet the needs of the communities.

i agree the do as I say not as I do mantra doesn’t sit well with me! They’re all cunts!
 
Don’t even bother calling for an ambulance if you’re having a heart attack
 
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Hospitals were built decades ago. In that time the population has sky rocketed not helped by do gooders wanting to allow anyone on to our island no matter what. Now those same sized hospitals that were fine at the time they were built are far too small to cope in the modern day.
Without giving away my location I can say that I live in an area near a major airport, we have one A&E serving nearly a whole county. Its been said for years that we're a disaster waiting to happen.
My towns hospital has an emergency walk in unit, and the hospital is only used for outpatients and minor ops.

Shortly before they closed the hospital as a major hospital they bulldozed the admin blocks that were used for it for housing, now a large portion of the hospital us used for admin.
Who's idea this was is beyond me, but I can't be the only person who's area this has happened to.
Imagine if they'd kept things open and running as they used to, we wouldn't be seeing the crisis that we are now, or every winter come to that.

You're right though, with all the extra people living in the country and the building of new districts inviting more people to major towns, the infrastructure isn't being thought about at all
 
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I think merging two hospitals into one is usually because it’s easier to staff one hospital and have all the specialists under one roof because there’s a growing shortage of health care workers and it’s not able to meet the demands so rather than having a hospital in every area they have main hospitals more widespread if that makes sense. Then they open up hubs for things like minor injuries and out of hours to cater to meet the needs of the communities.

i agree the do as I say not as I do mantra doesn’t sit well with me! They’re all cunts!
I think it was more, let’s sell the land. They have already sold one hospital off for a private school. So we’ve gone from 3 hospital to 2 and they want to go to 1. Within a 15 mile radius, so far no hubs have been created.
 
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The masks and social distancing were completely pointless as everyone there will have had a PCR test to form their own bubble that the public could get nowhere near.
I worked on one of the G7 sites. Before we went to site we were told to bring our own lft tests and everyone was supposed to test each day. No one bothered to check if anyone was doing it. People were taking things from our sites to the delegates hotels and the airport.
So I don’t believe anything about bubbles and no one being allowed near them. Did you not see the president of the USA sitting in a bar with joe public. It’s all lies
 
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They were working and under government rules they were allowed. So would you if you were attending a conference that needed to go ahead.
Nope, our annual staff conference was cancelled this year as it was against covid rules
 
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It depends on the variant too. Latest stats show that viral load of some variants is the same whether vaccinated or not so it’s not even reducing transmission for some variants so depends how you look at it.

I think from the stats it’s clear the the vaccine is only more effective id say marginally rather than signficantly I don’t believe a difference of 4% is that considerable, it seems to be more effective in vulnerable age groups which is what was suspected all along but that of course is shouted down by everyone who thinks it’s everyone else’s responsibility to take a vaccine.
The stats presented on that post only show people who got covid badly enough to need emergency care. They do not reflect the effectiveness of the vaccine over the population as a whole.

As for whose responsibility it is to take the vaccine that is of course the choice but vaccination programmes are a collective effort that need as many people as possible to make it work.
 
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We can engage in difference in opinions and we will not always agree. I’d like to think it can be done in a respectful and tasteful manner regardless of what one believes in.
'Engaging' with anyone who believes that the 'narrative' about Covid is 'BS' is a waste of your time. There is no evidence or information that you can present that will make them concede an inch in their beliefs. If you continue to press the point or offer more evidence then eventually it will be cast as a personal attack and they will disengage / flounce.

They are not interested in my opinion and I am not interested in their's because to be fair there is nothing that they can present that will achieve anything other than to make me even more convinced that they are nuts.
 
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The stats presented on that post only show people who got covid badly enough to need emergency care. They do not reflect the effectiveness of the vaccine over the population as a whole.

As for whose responsibility it is to take the vaccine that is of course the choice but vaccination programmes are a collective effort that need as many people as possible to make it work.
According to this guy public health measures are needed alongside them
 
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According to this guy public health measures are needed along side them
Which although disappointing is fortunately not something that was entirely unexpected as it was known from very early on that the vaccine was not likely to be one that was guaranteed to stop the disease in its tracks.
(though there was too much of the over-bigging and hype)

Like getting something out of the oven when you don't have the heatproof gloves, the more layers of tea-towel the better. One layer hopeless on its own, but several layers means no swearing :)
 
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Because it clearly wasn’t essential, a G7 summit is a bit different.
As I said earlier, No matter what they do, people will find a way to reason it out in their head and then try to explain it to those who see that it's BS.
 
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As I said earlier, No matter what they do, people will find a way to reason it out in their head and then try to explain it to those who see that it's BS.
Yeah and those who shout BS at everything will always try and flip it to their narrative to shout more. You think covid isn’t BS so I’m not sure why you still hanging around this thread 😂
 
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Is Covid real? Yes. Is the pandemic real? Yes. Do vaccines work? Yes. Have lives been saved? Yes. Do people who believe in all the above believe every word that the government says. No. The government are far from perfect.
 
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Yeah and those who shout BS at everything will always try and flip it to their narrative to shout more. You think covid isn’t BS so I’m not sure why you still hanging around this thread 😂

I have never once said covid is BS.
 
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Because it clearly wasn’t essential, a G7 summit is a bit different.
Do you know what is actually essential?
Mental health assessments.
Dementia assessments.
Cancer treatment and any other life saving treatment and Dr's meeting to discuss that.
Education....
All of which were deemed not essential enough for people to meet, so everything was done via Teams or Zoom.

No our conference wasn't essential, we were given instruction on how to have this at local levels via zoom.

The same could have been done with the G7, they managed it at the Climate crisis meeting and Biden seemed to think that was dangerous enough to wear his mask then 🤦🏼‍♀️

Fast forward a bit and he seems to think it's safe enough to hug Macron, even though the Delta variant is flying around all over.

Come on, you can't defend that.

What's good for them and their rules is good enough for plebs using the same rules.

Eta... since we now know that vaccinated people with delta have the same viral load as unvaccinated the rules shouldn't be any different
 
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As I said earlier, No matter what they do, people will find a way to reason it out in their head and then try to explain it to those who see that it's BS.
I'd be surprised if there wasn't some official reasoning for it all that somehow made it completely within the rules where some identical scenario involving mere plebs would not.

That's not to say that the excuse has any merit, but that old favourite of diplomatic immunity would cover some, and if the hotel was officially designated as international waters for the duration then nothing would apply anyway.
Though I am now curious as to status of things like G7 summit locations, something for me rummage the interrwebs for on a rainy afternoon...
 
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