You see that is the thing. You are less safe with vaccinated people with all restriction removed then the unvaccinated.
If you are safe around the vaccinated you are equally safe around the unvaccinated, it’s making zero logical sense.
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If you are safe around the vaccinated you are equally safe around the unvaccinated, it’s making zero logical sense.
I don't think any of the non vaccinated can be persuaded now. They're in too deep and can't see. "Vaccinated can still get covid!" yes but actually three times less likely to test positive.
The fact people are willing to die before getting this vaccine shows the extent.
Countries can do what they want to keep their residents safe. Good for them.
The fact people are willing to die before getting this vaccine shows the extent.
Countries can do what they want to keep their residents safe. Good for them.
Because the majority of the country have been jabbed. It's like saying don't wear a seat belt because most people in car crashes are, when infact It's because if more people are doing something It's more likely to be that way.
I’ve had Covid unvaccinated and I am perfectly fine too
if the vaccine stops you from getting covid severely and many 1000s of people haven't taken the vaccine then the hospitals would be full of the unvaccinated, but they are not.
Please don't reply to try to make it make sense it's not making sense and neither are you.
I'm off here for a while, need to get out into the garden its the only place that makes any sense right now
It's astounding that some people STILL can't see that the vaccines are working. They are not perfect, but they have greatly weakened the link between cases and hospitalisations/deaths. I think some of these people are being deliberately obtuse.
Because over 73% of the adult population are double jabbed. The covid vaccine isn’t some miracle jab. There will be fully vaccinated people who will still get covid and end up in hospital. Same as with the flu vaccine
But they aren’t dead are they? You can’t deny the massive difference in people dying between now and January before the vaccine roll out.
A large proportion of people in hospitals with covid are asymptomatic. They only know they have it when they get admitted and tested. This goes for double jabbed too - just because people are in hospital with covid it doesn’t mean that’s what they are being treated for. Yes there will be some double jabbed on ventilators too, but the vaccine was never 100% effective. Also now we see stats like “60% of patients in hospital are double jabbed!” (Just as example not an exact figure)… this doesn’t imply the causation is the jab, and the figure of patients overall is lower. Having most of the population double jabbed means of course the amount in hospitals who are double jabbed increases. If every single person in the country had it 100% of all cases in hospital would be “double jabbed” . That was a very rambling way to explain something… sorry!
74% of the adult population have had 2 doses - a much higher percentage of people that are unjabbed / single jab.
For example - 100000 people are jabbed but all high risk, 1000 people are unjabbed but younger / less at risk - we're going to see maybe a more even mix in the hospitals. The key factor is 1. who is dying 2. long covid 3. how many of the jabbed are getting positive.
Covid is everywhere at the moment, we're seeing breakthrough cases due to Delta - it stands to reason that there will be vaccinated people in hospital getting help (or in there for another reason!)
No vaccine is 100%, may not be as effective in immune suppressed, a lot of the people double jabbed are older with more health issues, etc etc etc etc etc and another etc on top.
If we're going to use the tired old (not directed at you just in general) excuse that people dying from covid within 28 days could have been hit by a bus (seriously how many buses are hitting people these days!) then we can also use that reasoning that double jabbed in Hospital with covid could be there for another reason as well.
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Please read the post I was replying to. It was not a standalone post. The poster was saying death was the result of being unvaccinated. I was trying to get them to see that the vaccinated are also dying.
At the height of the pandemic we had thousands dying every day. At the height of the pandemic we had thousands being admitted into hospital every day. This is NOT the case now, if people cannot see that this is as a result of vaccines, there is no reasoning with them.
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The vaccine was never meant to 100% stop people catching it and stop people from dying. People really need to understand that the vaccine is working but there will still be deaths, but at a lesser rate than with no vaccine.
Once again, I was talking to someone who blamed someone who died for their own death because they were not vaccinated.
"This is the end result of not taking vaccines"
But you do be to accept if you don’t take the vaccine your chances of dying fro Covid are higher. You have been given the option to try and prevent it and decided no to do it may have been the result of not taking the vaccine. You take that chance by not taking the vaccine.
I posted a few days ago about people being discharged from hospital as soon as they’re able to stand, even elderly with no care packages….
I don't have to accept any of this BS and won't. You can, and that's your choice.
It’s not BS. It is people’s opinions, just like you have yours.
Deleted. I really cannot be arsed with this anymore.
We can engage in difference in opinions and we will not always agree. I’d like to think it can be done in a respectful and tasteful manner regardless of what one believes in.
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