I do think CM has, though. To what extent and what has been made worse by their actions since September is the difficult part to untangle, but if social services have been previously involved, there may well be assessments that have been done previously.
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I know if my husband was the taxi driver he wouldn’t have been aware of this case, very rarely listens to the news and only for I filling him in would never hear of cases like this, I told him about it this morning and it was the first he had heard of it
It's so frustrating but screams guilt surely?!
I agree. The fact that they've not been sectioned and have been deemed fit for interview shows that they both must have capacity.
The mental health card is a difficult one, particularly in the case of Constance. If she looked more like Rose West there might be a different view, who knows? I hope her wealth allows her to get the very best MH support which she'll inevitably need.
How long do the police keep on looking? The wee soul could literally be anywhere.
I think there’s a lot of projection going on here tbh. A lot of she’ll be feeling this, he’ll have done this and said that to her. Armchair diagnosis of PTSD, etc. While it’s safe to assume she has mental health issues, and we know he’s a vile bastard, we have no idea about the dynamics of their relationship or the exact details of her mental state.
Not necessarily no. You’re well within your rights to refuse to answer the police’s questions and it’s sometimes advised where the person would not perform well in the interview (and potentially bring suspicion on themselves even if they are innocent) so that their lawyer can present their statement to the police. The courts can only interpret silence/no comment negatively if the person later relies on something in their defence, that they could’ve reasonably disclosed in their police interview. So it’s very nuanced.
Having said all that, I do think it screams guilt here!
I'm definitely no expert but I wonder if being sectioned would close off the option to have the police questioned. I'd also suspect it's something that would require assessment by at least two professionals which could take considerable time and effort.
Based on personal experience (where no crime had been commited) it's particularly difficult to be sectioned under the Mental Health Act in the UK. But obviously that may change if it's within the context of a crime being committed.
If they section either of them now they won’t be well enough to questuon/interview/interrogate. The police’s primary focus is finding the baby, having them sectioned would slow that down massively.
That doesn’t mean they’re not unwell. I don’t think what they have done are the actions of people who are of sound mind. Whether both of them are unwell is also another question.
edited to add cross posted with the above. Also usually having someone sectioned is to remove any risk them may be to themselves or anyone else. In theory, you achieve that by putting someone in a police cell. So there’s nothing to be gained by sectioning either of them now, if it does transpire that they are mentally unwell.
That doesn’t mean they’re not unwell. I don’t think what they have done are the actions of people who are of sound mind. Whether both of them are unwell is also another question.
edited to add cross posted with the above. Also usually having someone sectioned is to remove any risk them may be to themselves or anyone else. In theory, you achieve that by putting someone in a police cell. So there’s nothing to be gained by sectioning either of them now, if it does transpire that they are mentally unwell.
Yeah your right. I too have recently had an experience with a family member who needed some very urgent help for her own safety. Even though there was police involvement she didn't even get a callback from a MH team for 36 hours. I guess it's only the very obviously violent/aggressive who get sectioned nowadays. Our MH services just can't cope
Maybe that's why we end up with situations like this. Ah it's a mess. I've had a shufty at the police guidance for dealing with Mental Illness and there's lots of procedures they have to follow to ensure that the detainees Mental Health is considered and addressed.
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Yes you're right. Although the guidance states that if they feel that their MH is declined they may request support/assessment/treatment. Not necessarily this case but that must be a nightmare for the police to deal with for those who know every loophole and play the system.
They must also have capacity to be interviewed. Which if the interviews have been extended it seems they have.
I mentioned sectioning because my mind was cast back to a local man who murdered his son a few years ago, he was in a (drug induced) psychotic episode at the time and was sectioned and detained in a MH unit.
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I’m sorry, I’m a little new to this one, stilll reading up.
One thing that struck me was the car was found on the M61 on Jan 5th, the placenta was found in the burnt out remains. If staged maybe this was to hide the evidence of any baby and then onto Liverpool. That’s a good old journey on a normal day never mind just after giving birth, so why travel all the way there? If it was to get to Ireland why didn’t they? Why go all the way to Liverpool between 5-7th Jan then all the way back again the following day? Talking about a 200+ mile journey x 2 in space of 3 days. By Jan 7 they were buying camping gear and dumping the buggy in London.
Which taxi drivers heard a baby crying? Bolton? Liverpool? London?
I’m wondering if something happened to the poor baby when it was only days old, maybe in Liverpool, this would've changed everything, including the need to get to Ireland, so they travelled all the way back down south and lived maybe wild camping.
One thing that struck me was the car was found on the M61 on Jan 5th, the placenta was found in the burnt out remains. If staged maybe this was to hide the evidence of any baby and then onto Liverpool. That’s a good old journey on a normal day never mind just after giving birth, so why travel all the way there? If it was to get to Ireland why didn’t they? Why go all the way to Liverpool between 5-7th Jan then all the way back again the following day? Talking about a 200+ mile journey x 2 in space of 3 days. By Jan 7 they were buying camping gear and dumping the buggy
in London. Which taxi drivers heard a baby crying? Bolton? Liverpool? London?
I’m wondering if something happened to the poor baby when it was only days old, maybe in Liverpool, this would've changed everything, including the need to get to Ireland, so they travelled all the way back down south and lived maybe wild camping.
I can't find the bit about taxi drivers hearing the baby anywhere, does anybody have a link?I’m sorry, I’m a little new to this one, stilll reading up.
One thing that struck me was the car was found on the M61 on Jan 5th, the placenta was found in the burnt out remains. If staged maybe this was to hide the evidence of any baby and then onto Liverpool. That’s a good old journey on a normal day never mind just after giving birth, so why travel all the way there? If it was to get to Ireland why didn’t they? Why go all the way to Liverpool between 5-7th Jan then all the way back again the following day? Talking about a 200+ mile journey x 2 in space of 3 days. By Jan 7 they were buying camping gear and dumping the buggy
Which taxi drivers heard a baby crying? Bolton? Liverpool? London?
I’m wondering if something happened to the poor baby when it was only days old, maybe in Liverpool, this would've changed everything, including the need to get to Ireland, so they travelled all the way back down south and lived maybe wild camping.
Police search for Constance Marten's's missing baby continues
Fears are growing for runaway aristocrat Constance Marten's baby after it emerged that she visited a food bank without have been without their baby for at least a week, MailOnline can reveal.
Here's one source... Its the DF unfortunately but its the first that came up.
If the baby has passed away for whatever reason while they’ve been on the move, it’s possible they don’t even really know where it is. If they’ve been sleeping rough in random fields and woods and they’ve been on drugs they possibly weren’t very aware of where they actually were and just had a desire to keep moving “south”, for example, if they were heading to Brighton. Still no excuse for them not answering questions about what has happened though. Just a very sad thought and if so the baby might never be found.
States early in January. A long time ago when you know what we know now.
Fair enough, but if the question is ‘we want to find your baby to stop it dying, where is it?’
Not quite the same.
According to ITV there is to be an announcement in the next half hour
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According to ITV there is to be a significant announcement in the next half hour, I think senior forensic specialists have been brought in from London
Sorry but I hope her wealth has no bearing on who she can afford to get her off the hook in this tragic situation. There are plenty of MH "experts" who will be eager to take this case on including "flexible" court psychiatrists.
Hi Guys , normally just read on here rather than post but can’t get over this . That poor poor baby .
In my view they are both vile monsters .
He’s a vile human so she’s . I don’t believe she’s a ‘scared woman in a abusive relationship’ that’s a cop out . If they want to live a horrible life do that but make sure you don’t have kids . SS will have given her chances to sort her life out she just can’t be arsed so don’t have more kids . (Only in my opinion of course
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In my view they are both vile monsters .
He’s a vile human so she’s . I don’t believe she’s a ‘scared woman in a abusive relationship’ that’s a cop out . If they want to live a horrible life do that but make sure you don’t have kids . SS will have given her chances to sort her life out she just can’t be arsed so don’t have more kids . (Only in my opinion of course
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Oh no no no...I didn't mean a MH expert to get her off the hook. If she's hurt her baby intentionally or by neglect, then I hope she rots. Ml
But IF like so many on here genuinely believe, she is a victim of him, the system, her life, and has severe Mental Health issues then I hope she can get some good help. Because she won't get it on the NHS anytime soon.
We shall have to wait and see
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