Constance Marten and Mark Gordon Case #3

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They were buying from Argos though, and you’re not going to get a newborn travel system from Argos. Also, cheap strollers are light and fold up small for convenience.

Although that doesn’t explain why they bought and discarded a stroller the same day.
I wondered if it was to try and be less conspicuous. If people are looking out for a couple with a baby then get rid of the buggy to make it seem less likely they have a baby?
 
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Why is she saying baby born xmas eve when police believe it was after this, at this point there is no point lying about it?
Also neither of them revealed the location of the poor baby, the police found her when searching.
If the body hadn’t been found would they have got away with this.
This is prosecutor setting out what she’s said on record…then they are going to disprove it. They are setting her out from the start to be a liar. Remember this is opening arguments. They will tell the jury what she said, then they will bring the evidence that proves she’s lying, then if she decides to get on the stand they’ve already established she’s a liar so most of what she says can be discredited.
 
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This is defence setting out what she’s said on record…then they are going to disprove it. They are setting her out from the start to be a liar. Remember this is opening arguments. They will tell the jury what she said, then they will bring the evidence that proves she’s lying, then if she decides to get on the stand they’ve already established she’s a liar so most of what she says can be discredited.
Do you mean prosecution?
 
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I home educate my kids and sadly there are a lot of people in the community who think the way these two clearly do, ok maybe not as extreme but they don't trust anyone in authority at all, including social services and medical professionals. I know several home educating mothers who refused all antenatal care including any scans and gave birth without medical assistance. They don't vaccinate their kids either.

It's a shame because we love home educating and seriously wish there were more sane people who did it!
 
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Could be wrong but it looks like this double buggy
I was just looking back because that was mentioned in the first thread. General feeling was that it was a single but not sure.

 

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I home educate my kids and sadly there are a lot of people in the community who think the way these two clearly do, ok maybe not as extreme but they don't trust anyone in authority at all, including social services and medical professionals. I know several home educating mothers who refused all antenatal care including any scans and gave birth without medical assistance. They don't vaccinate their kids either.

It's a shame because we love home educating and seriously wish there were more sane people who did it!
Yes, I think a lot of people who are drawn to home education (apart from those with SEN kids who simply can’t find a school to meet their needs) are those who are drawn to the alternative side of parenting - the hippy types who pride themselves on being “crunchy”. Crunchies are suspicious of giving birth in hospitals, vaccines, mainstream medicine generally. They love cloth nappies, wearing their babies in slings, breastfeed for years and years etc.

I know of someone like this. She breastfed her kid until the age of 6 and wore them in a sling for just as long. The child has never attended school and must be about 13 now!

I don’t think Constance was one of these mothers, but like you say there’s a lot of similarities when it comes to that “off grid” mindset and not wanting to engage with authorities.
 
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Yeah I watched that. Marva had a really good chance and was fully supported to stay with her new baby and make a go of it but she chose to go back to him and blew it. The social worker was in tears over it. These women do exist unfortunately 😩
I just looked it up and it’s on YouTube, episode 2 is Marva and Shaun, in the comments Annie the social worker said she had to move because of death threats. So sad and all that support and chances…
Yeah I watched that. Marva had a really good chance and was fully supported to stay with her new baby and make a go of it but she chose to go back to him and blew it. The social worker was in tears over it. These women do exist unfortunately 😩
it’s on YouTube and it’s episode 2, Annie the social worker said she had death threats and had to move away. shows that even then in I think 2012 women with multiple children in care were still supported to keep their children safe, but these women keep choosing the man. Infuriating really
 
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Would they be able to tell if the baby was born at full term or not?
I’m actually not sure, but there wasn’t ever a suggestion that she was premature.
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They love cloth nappies, wearing their babies in slings, breastfeed for years and years etc.
I clothed (because I prefer it), and used slings (reflux baby), and breastfed for 3 years (allergy baby)… but I also send my children to school and have them vaccinated.
 
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Yes, I think a lot of people who are drawn to home education (apart from those with SEN kids who simply can’t find a school to meet their needs) are those who are drawn to the alternative side of parenting - the hippy types who pride themselves on being “crunchy”. Crunchies are suspicious of giving birth in hospitals, vaccines, mainstream medicine generally. They love cloth nappies, wearing their babies in slings, breastfeed for years and years etc.

I know of someone like this. She breastfed her kid until the age of 6 and wore them in a sling for just as long. The child has never attended school and must be about 13 now!

I don’t think Constance was one of these mothers, but like you say there’s a lot of similarities when it comes to that “off grid” mindset and not wanting to engage with authorities.
We are very much a novelty in the home ed community tbh. My kids don't have SEN (although I suspect one is neurodiverse but I don't think it presents as strongly because he doesn't have the challenges he would at school). But we are very pro science, pro vax, not crunchy at all. We largely home ed because the kids are very bright and were getting bored at school, and because there are several things about the UK state school system I don't like which I won't go into as irrelevant. But I have no ideological opposition to school, don't think they are indoctrination factories, don't believe in any conspiracy theories. We have found a few others like us but they are few and far between if I'm honest.

Marten and Gordon don't seem that far removed in terms of their ideologies to several parents I know personally.
 
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I’m actually not sure, but there wasn’t ever a suggestion that she was premature.
Ahhh ok thanks, was just wondering as in the earlier threads when it was revealed that the placenta was found in the car along with passports that baby V could of come earlier than excepted so didn’t manage to flee the country
 
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Yes, I think a lot of people who are drawn to home education (apart from those with SEN kids who simply can’t find a school to meet their needs) are those who are drawn to the alternative side of parenting - the hippy types who pride themselves on being “crunchy”. Crunchies are suspicious of giving birth in hospitals, vaccines, mainstream medicine generally. They love cloth nappies, wearing their babies in slings, breastfeed for years and years etc.

I know of someone like this. She breastfed her kid until the age of 6 and wore them in a sling for just as long. The child has never attended school and must be about 13 now!

I don’t think Constance was one of these mothers, but like you say there’s a lot of similarities when it comes to that “off grid” mindset and not wanting to engage with authorities.
Sorry if this is off topic but always been interested in this from a sociological point of view, very scary statistics on home schooling

 
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