Constance Marten and Mark Gordon #6

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Emsie

Although she was in a placement with the baby she wouldn't have been on like a lockdown would she. Assuming she would have been free to care for herself and the baby, go out with the baby etc. She's not a child, she's a grown woman. So she was probably still able to see MG.
As I said I don't think MG being a SO was the problem. The parenting, living in a tent in winter was.
I think she was engaging for engagement sake but she wasn't really taking it on board and then when SS realised she wasn't they got moving with severing the children from her.
All she needed to do was get a house and engage properly. Unless more comes out about physical harm or abuse, not feeding them etc.
But an easy win really, it's not she had addictions (that we know of) to kick
 
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Aberscot

We know MG had to sign register ( I think it was weekly?) and stopped attending around Xmas time so regardless of baby the police would have been looking for him anyway. Do we know how long he had to sign on for was it life ?
So were the police on lookout for him before car went on fire and placenta discovered?
and I know we have discussed it before but are them Taking drugs definitely ruled out
 
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Ray_of_Sunshine

Yes thanks I was on the previous thread and also the ones before that. None of these reasonings are concrete though are they? I was just speculating from another angle.
 
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Hyacinthsquash

Depends on the reason for placement. Some mothers are not allowed to care for baby alone and will be told they cannot contact baby’s father (or their partner depending on circumstances) otherwise it will mean immediate intervention. It’s hard to say specifically without knowing more and whether MG was considered a risk to the child or Constance herself.
 
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Haveyouanywool

Random.
‘Only you can redeem yourself’ as said by Bob Marley to the guy who shot him years earlier.
Taken from the excellent One Love film we seen last night. Highly recommended.
Redemption coming from a place of inner change.
Stuck out as these 2 have not redeemed themselves after any of their multiple chances.
 
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Multi-21

I might be wrong but I’ve thought if you failed to attend there were be a marker on you so if the police came across you it would flag up, but they wouldn’t be actively looking. Just something I feel like would have gone the way of budget cuts
 
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Ray_of_Sunshine

For the young baby comment it reads to me that they haven’t made a clumsy mistake but that the baby was admitted to a hospital perhaps? For whatever reason. And it’s not about when he/she was born. I’m guessing at this point she wasn’t hiding her identity and so the hospital knew her history/knew the child was subject to (only my opinion) a child protection plan or the like. And so CM was warned not to leave him/her but did so anyway

She never had any intention of helping herself is what I think all of this shows - she was totally arrogant and thought she knew best.
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In one of my previous roles I had to frequently liaise with the dept of the police who monitored sex offenders and inform them if someone was admitted to hospital. The police often said they'd wondered where they were as they lost track of them
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I guess there’s just way too many to keep tabs on, rendering the register almost useless in my opinion. So many fall through the cracks - which suits them of course! I wonder if they were even that bothered he hadn’t signed on. They must’ve known he was a transient - a lot of them are for obvious reasons.
 
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InTheDollsHouse

Agree. They can’t possibly go looking every time, the person could be anywhere. Maybe exceptions for someone with a concern of likely to repeat it, but MG seems to have been out of trouble (children notwithstanding).

It said he presented at the police station last on Boxing Day - that’s when they were at the holiday cottage. Wonder how far that was from where they were actually living to that point.
 
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sebanna

If she had had three children removed, I'm surprised they let her keep the fourth. Unless she hid that child's birth.

If she was worried about losing another baby to social services than why risk leaving the baby in hospital? and then refuse to do a covid test rather then see your baby. Doesn't make sense.

There must have been serious neglect/risk to the first three for them to be removed.
 
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Ray_of_Sunshine

InTheDollsHouse said:
Some of them, but not the train station one
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I couldn’t see any obvious contact centre photos tbh I must’ve missed this too 🫣 don’t shoot me! The album on fb - there is only one photo that could be contact centre I suppose but I honestly thought it was just a waiting room somewhere
 
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InTheDollsHouse

Yes that’s what I think too. They’d have said newborn, and there’s ambiguity as they haven’t said she was discharged or self-discharged - just that she left. They’re saying something without saying it.

That was child II 2021 after child FF was born in 2017. The middle two must have been born during that gap, and maybe taken immediately into care - they were under care proceedings Jan 2020 which is probably when they were born.

I suspect that she went to hospital with II and before that no one knew she was pregnant.
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I’d bet they refused her taking the baby/child so she left then realised what she’d done. Maybe she claimed she thought she had open access if the child was an inpatient. Either way I wouldn’t have left for a moment.

With the level of paranoia and warped beliefs one or both might have been on the page of Covid conspiracy theories.

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Me too! There’s one that could be, with chairs in the background. But there’s a few outside on the grass smiling and relaxed - they don’t strike me as managed contact but I don’t have any experience of it to be sure! I think the outside photos must be the first child.
 
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Haveyouanywool

If there are a set of twins, pregnancy and birth complications are much more likely, so even CM may have found seeking medical attention a necessity.
I found t fancy my chances ‘free birthing’ twins. Or more pertinent, the twin’s chances.
 
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Eltonjohnsflorist

OH thank you! What am I like, re reading a whole 54 page thread to find it when I’d heard it on the podcast
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Re the mother and baby unit etc I wonder if they were inconsistent with their behaviour but it also deteriorated over time; so maybe there were times they tried to engage but then either failed or get fed up, or got more and more into their conspiracies. Constance had obviously been reading some shite and thought she knew the law around SS well enough to evade committing a crime (she’s too thick to really understand what she’s on about though- typical conspiracy theorist)

I have to say I’d assume that as MG checked into a police station shortly before they went on the run that meant he was in the routine of doing it. Whilst him not checking in wouldn’t have launched a manhunt, the consequences when he was caught (and these people have a tendency to get caught, if only for disordered rubbish like driving without insurance) could’ve been severe.
 
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InTheDollsHouse

She may not have known it was twins if no antenatal care.
 
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CabalofBolorneaise

Haveyouanywool said:
True, but there are often indications. Size, tendency to swollen extremities in later pregnancy, more intense morning sickness etc.
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And she’d had a previous singleton pregnancy so would potentially be able to realise the movements of 2 babies vs 1 - or see/feel externally the outlines of body parts later on making it obvious it wasn’t just one.
 
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WurstHunde

The thing is, she didn’t lose her first three till 2020 so why do people think the photos are from contact centres? I would assume they were taken before she lost them; the ages would seem to fit.
 
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DianaBanana


Saw this on another site, someone else reporting from the court. He says it was the two of them that abandoned the baby at the hospital after it was born. I don’t think I’ve seen that reported anywhere else though, so not sure if it’s reliable (and his voice is very boring):

‘we don't know as much about the births of the other children but we do know that one of the children, after it was born in the hospital, Marten discharged herself from hospital, her and Gordon left the hospital without the baby and the next day they came back for the baby’
 
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