Agree.
I do think it’s clear that he was the problem with her family, and that’s why CM became estranged and unsupported (not that there’s anything to show her parents supported her beforehand - emotionally I mean)
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I do think it’s clear that he was the problem with her family, and that’s why CM became estranged and unsupported (not that there’s anything to show her parents supported her beforehand - emotionally I mean)
Apologies, I basically was saying the same thing but the first time I didn’t write it very well (had a yelling child going down for a nap and my phone hates tattle and glitches all the time) - MG most likely would have been given a opportunity to be assessed, as like you say CSC can’t just remove a child because of previous convictions - it’s really hard to remove children esp from birth, regardless what TV / media makes out.
Wow, I didn’t know that. Then these’s AirB+B and just Guest Houses. Might be feasible in a small town, but a city? Would CM and MG know they’d done that? Then again, with their paranoia…
The Police certainly put in an effort to find them, for some reason.
This is what I could work out from the info shared originally
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The first - FF - is confusing. Born winter 2017.
It seems that child was already 1-2 years old when they were discovered in the tent? You could understand why CM and MG thought they’d be okay in a tent if so, having possibly done it for over a year.
It doesn’t seem clear when GG and HH were born. Was it you who said earlier on that they might be twins? Less detail on them because more easy to identify. However, it was Jan 2020 at the latest as care proceedings were started for FF. GG, HH in Jan 2020 - FF was just two at this point.
On top of care proceedings, legal proceedings were started in 2019.
All of the photos on her FB were shared in Feb 2020. On there are BTY (boy) DAV (girl) and COF (I think boy) so must be FF, GG, HH.
Then she was pregnant again in 2021 - II. She was living in a house or flat at this time as she hid behind the door. This is the baby she then left hospital without. I don’t know if it’s clumsy wording by the journalist, but ‘young baby’ is different to ‘newborn’ for me.
I wonder whether she was on the radar because of her links to Al Jazeera?
(Ignore that this link says the baby is a boy which is obviously incorrect)
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Al Jazeera is just a news outlet, like Sky news or GB News.
Her (short lived) career there doesn’t seem to have taken off!
It sounds like she was ‘just’ a researcher, then left to be freelance, then started the drama course. Probably didn’t need to worry about a stable salary!
One with direct links to at least one group the UK class as terrorists to be fair, though I doubt the police were particularly concerned that CM might be a secret member of Hamas.
In one of my previous roles I had to frequently liaise with the dept of the police who monitored sex offenders and inform them if someone was admitted to hospital. The police often said they'd wondered where they were as they lost track of themThat’s got to have something to do with why the previous children were removed. I’d bet my life she was given the opportunity to put her children first and leave him in order to be with them and be their mother but she chose him over and over again. Even after losing some already. That is so unforgivable.
There would’ve been a long and drawn out process from her falling pregnant to the first child being removed. Unfortunately I know a very violent rapist and as well as that horrific crime he is also convicted of sexually assaulting a child - but has incredibly gone on to father multiple children quite freely. In my experience authorities are very sluggish when dealing with him - in fact they won’t deal with him at all when I, myself, have made multiple reports and contacted them directly (not even anonymously!) with details, evidence and addressesI find myself thinking the sex offenders register isn’t as robust as people are lead to believe, the prison system is tit - no-one is being rehabilitated, the probation service is even worse and children’s services are no longer fit for purpose. I hold a very dim view of the police also
That’s why I think these two are going to be out in no time at all, having more children and they’ll be free to do so as is their human right, right!? They can’t and won’t be stopped and they know it. They don’t give a duck, they are not remorseful and this is all just a mere formality. In my opinion.
I was looking for the post about her previously being warned of unsafe sleeping and have just mixed up ans just re-read this one 
Supposedly of course but a researcher can mean anything.
I’ve been listening to a podcast about this trial. Fascinating yet disgusting.
Just wanted to add it states in the latest one the poor babies head was ‘concave’ when found by the police officer in the bag. Came here to see if anyone else had picked up on this. After some Googling it says this is usually linked to extreme dehydration. Of course this could be decomposition too, I don’t know?
Here’s the link to this episode:
Just wanted to add it states in the latest one the poor babies head was ‘concave’ when found by the police officer in the bag. Came here to see if anyone else had picked up on this. After some Googling it says this is usually linked to extreme dehydration. Of course this could be decomposition too, I don’t know?
Here’s the link to this episode:
It was discussed in the last thread, put behind a spoiler for those who dont want to read
my personal thoughts were decomposition. Her skull would have still had soft spots which could have decomposed quickly and sunken inwards. Plus there was weight on top of her from the rubbish in the bag. The post mortem did not find a cause of death which says to me it wasn't thought to be from an injury.
I was also wondering how it’s monitored as a visitor to the hospital, it’s never even crossed my mind before.
As a vulnerable inpatient on a maternity ward with a newborn, I’d have been really concerned if I’d known that the man visiting the woman next to me was a convicted sex offender
I wonder again if that’s why they’d avoid hospitals to birth this baby and why he didn’t visit her before.
I think this will come out, next week in court. With the prosecution barrister going through what advice CM was given with her previous children. It's likely social workers tried to work with CM to improve her parenting before removing the children.I was looking for the post about her previously being warned of unsafe sleeping and have just mixed up ans just re-read this one
I doubt they could monitor it in visitors to be honest? Admitted obviously unless you lie (as CM did) they’d have a lot of data to link with but I don’t recall them asking my OH for much personal info beyond his name when I gave birth so unless you were Gary Glitter or someone with a similarly high profile case or very distinctive name, how would they know?I was also wondering how it’s monitored as a visitor to the hospital, it’s never even crossed my mind before.
As a vulnerable inpatient on a maternity ward with a newborn, I’d have been really concerned if I’d known that the man visiting the woman next to me was a convicted sex offender
I wonder again if that’s why they’d avoid hospitals to birth this baby and why he didn’t visit her before.
If there are safeguarding concerns highlighted in pregnancy, a care plan will be put in place for the birth. If the father is deemed a risk he maybe banned from the maternity ward or only able to visit under supervision. If its a general visitor they won't be quizzed on their past convictions. There are specialist midwives trained in safeguarding who work with families like CM and a discharge planning meeting is had before the baby goes home.
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