Caroline Hirons #4

[Bingbongding]

Tell us more! What's your skin type? Was the derm particularly insistent about stopping any specific products/ingredients? I've been thinking about seeing a private derm for a while... How did you find a good one and do you know what a good price is for a consultation?

Rosacea and dermatitis. The dermatologist was recommended to me by a friend who is a doctor (different field of medicine but interested in derm). I was told to stop everything as my skin was highly sensitized. My treatment plan was specific to my skin issues. The number of products I was using was making my skin issues worse over time (especially glycolic acid, which I thought was helping). They went through my entire veryyy long list of products and told me what to keep and what to get rid of and why.
CH recommends some products for rosacea suffers that my dermatologist said a big no to. Seeing my skin now i loathe CH. I feel duped by her fake insider knowledge. The doctor has recommended 2 other products which I can add later (also gave us names of cheaper options). If you can save to see a dermatologist privately I would recommend it. My skin is happy now. CH advice f'd up my skin.

 

[AmberSpyglass]

Screenshots of people slagging her off in other groups do her moderators police the entire internet for her, or just her competition?

She’s so thin skinned ( literally after all the ingredients she piled on) .

 

[SqualorVictoria]

It's also sad as you just know there'll be many freaks who'll get themselves into debt over this. And the 300 saving is a fallacy IMO. It only really works as a saving if you were planning to buy that exact configuration of products, which isn't really likely is it?

 

[Wobblehead]

Lots of people asking if she could do a cheaper box and an expensive box for the kits rather than two expensive ones. Sheep do you not realise that cannot be done because then they would have to admit that £20 serums work as well as £100 ones!!. I do sense a little push back and backlash on these kits.... prices are creeping up and people are starting to question it. No doubt they will sell out but I dont think as quickly as before.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

I have nearly run out of moisturiser and I tell you what, it's so satisfying to no longer have loads and loads of stuff. I wrote down the only skincare products I need and will replace and I'm sticking to those.

Regarding the kit and anyone who is tempted: just remember that if you use 6 new things at once you won't know what works and what doesn't. Also, there's a discount now but what if you like the products and want to replace them all again?

 

[Satisfying Click]

Does anyone else use prescription strength tret and how do you manage it?

I use it infrequently e.g. once a week and I get the results of keeping the acne at bay without the side effects.

I like Jessica Defino in a number of ways (she raises my eyebrow in others) but I'm now very careful about putting anyone on a pedestal whether it's an influencer or someone claiming to disrupt the industry. I guess I'm going back to trusting my gut. Ever since I found Tattle, I deleted every single 'content creator' and influencer I followed and not only has my skin remained on my face, my bank balance is the healthiest it has been in years.

I do think it's important to consider 'is this really necessary' when it comes to skincare, but I trust my brain, gut and skin over all the Caroline's or Jessica's in the world.

 

[Calabria]

The last bit about the autumn kit....horrifying. That's some serious addiction going on there.

gets worse

 

[Enid Swamp]

Every time she speaks about product there needs to be an asterix detailing the Botox. Every. Time.

Same for Sali Hughes, all and any of them recommending and selling us skincare.

 

[cholulamare]

I can kind of see both points here, I actually thought CHs slide was about that Dr Natalia.

JDF has a much smaller following that CH and from what I've seen of her work she advocates for "clean" or "green" beauty. CH generally advocated for science led brands and I think is rightly critical of things being called natural, green, clean and non-toxic as there is no regulation over these terms in the skincare industry.

Honestly I don't agree that CH is using an excessive amount of product for her morning routine, it's a face wash, mist, eye cream, serum, tanning drops, moisturiser. I personally wouldn't use tanning drops but I know a lot of people do I think it's quite a normal morning routine

I've only been following JDF and her work for a few months, but I've never seen her advocate for "clean" or "green" beauty. Everything I've seen from her is science-based and incredibly thoroughly researched, with a focus on skin health over aesthetics. She's not going to advocate retinol use when its primary use is as an anti-aging ingredient, nor is she going to promote acids for "glow" or anything else that is about making skin conform to beauty standards. Unlike Caroline, she's not actually selling products.

She may have a much smaller following but I don't think it automatically follows that she is challenging Caroline's advice to try to bandwagon-jump and increase her audience that way. I think it was a sincere and fair post - she didn't go out of her way to criticise anything about Caroline, only the products in the routine. It may be a "normal" routine by some people's standards, but I think JDF's argument for paring down is pretty clearly explained in her story. CH is incredibly arrogant to take it as a personal attack.

 

[Disillusioned]

Anyway, don’t want to derail. This is ummm, very Caroline...

 

[hanjams]

I came out of the shadows earlier and commented here but it appears to have disappeared?! it was in reference to her old style of blogging and new style - I used links, would this have got my post deleted?

Anyway, Ava just posted this and I noticed her thumb nail looked funny. Just zoomed in and someone needs to pay more attention to their facetunes, whole hand looks mangled:

 

[poopettemetis]

Can’t get over how much this woman looks like a less haggard Hirons.

 

[NotDumbNotBlonde]

What a tosser. Innocent, my tuchas -he knows exactly what he's doing. Hideously overwritten too - is he an admirer of Sali?

 

[Curio]

£300 beauty boxes aren’t prohibitively expensive? Couldn’t you just get into debt with Klarna?

 

[SqualorVictoria]

She's not berating anyone for using products for their skin, she's berating CH for encouraging people to over buy. CH used to recommend cycling through like 5 different products in your acid step. Which is an unnecessary step anyway from a non-aesthetic viewpoint.



You said this a lot better than I did

Thank you! As someone who has wasted a shit tonne of money over the years on stuff influencers have recommended, I feel strongly about it. I feel so annoyed when I think of all the money I spent between Hirons and Hughes and the normalising of excessive expenditure. My skin wasn't wrecked but my savings were. It's not about Jessica trying to make people feel guilty for looking after their skin as one poster claimed, I love skincare and don't feel guilty about it, but I don't need the latest "must have" that Hirons mentions once and never again.

 

[MillySO]

I only ended up here because I was googling CH’s kits and stumbled across a rare group of people who weren’t fan girling and calling them the deal of the century. I’ve stayed here because I need these comments as we approach the new release. I can afford a kit but I’ve never spent that much on a single shopping spree in my life, let alone for consumables with a shelf life. I’m tempted but it helps to hear people point out that despite the discount, i’d still be spending £300 that would otherwise be in my bank account.

 

[Disillusioned]

Could someone screenshot the update to the post please?

Can I request that they don’t?

 

[MillySO]

Am I the only one annoyed by Jessica’s posts? I know people enjoy bashing Caroline but is it really to the extent that we’ll support anyone who disagrees with her, regardless of their message?

I’ve been using tretinoin for a few years now and even after all this time, I’m using products that soothe my skin to counter it’s effects. Jessica clearly hasn’t spent 15 years walking into job interviews, work meetings and social events with big angry cysts that no make up in the world can hide. I’m not “manipulating” my skin because of capitalism I’m treating it because having to deal with cystic acne all the way into your 30’s is f^<king soul destroying. It ruined my confidence for years and now I’m supposed to feel bad for the way I treat it? The fact that it is a scientifically proven treatment for aging skin is an awesome bonus that helps me feel better about how long it’s taken me to get my acne under control. I’m not going to feel bad for wanting a few years of good skin before accepting it’s aging fate.

 

[Disillusioned]

I'm sorry to sound like a prude but yeah I don't believe the intentions of the butthole bleaching guy are pure. And didn't someone say before that CH shuts down any non skincare related chat? So how the hell does anal bleaching get to pass?

Perfect chance for Hirons to show how woke she is. Screw the safety of her loyal acolytes.

And as she said: bum holes are made of skin

 

[SqualorVictoria]

She used to call Hydraluron "Hironsluron". Indeed Labs were referred to as her favourite Canadians since Bryan Adams. She has now deleted all references to Indeed from her website, including the hydraluron which was a "hall of fame" product. It's still in the Google cache but gone from the website. Pathetic