Caroline Flack

[Mishka13]

Before anyone starts, I was never a CF fan, but if anyone had read her book (which I did out of curiosity of why someone would have taken their life) she was very insecure from an early age and being a twin didn’t help. Also every BF she had been with, cheated on her. I doubt that Caroline trusted anyone. Yes, she had her insecurities that manifested.. but who doesn’t when their trust is betrayed?
She shouldn’t have hit out.. she should have told him to hop it and fxck off.

Lewis is an absolute shite and will milk this in years to come, with a book or serialisation in the Sunday papers.

I feel sorry for Lottie, he’s a fame hungry leach.. any news is good news for him, hence the selfish display of staying with Lottie whilst this was going on for the two days. Zero respect for Caroline or her family.

Imagine ending your life for an utter twat like that.

She could have admitted it all and turned it around. No one deserves to lose their life.

We are here for a good time, not a long time.

 

[Mrsturnerreturns]

That absolute pleb Laura Whitmore has released unseen messages. The Laura Whitmore who publicly declared herself a personal spokesperson and made out her and CF were oh so close. She was a work associate and barely anything else judging by those ‘unseen texts’. So many grief thief’s used the terrible tragedy to further their own careers. LW and that vile chav Stephanie Davis were the worst I always thought. You can’t blame her mother for the anger over that!

 

[ara95_]

I really truly feel for Caroline's mum. You can tell she's heartbroken and struggling and my heart genuinely goes out to her. But at the same time, she frustrates me. I feel like in her eyes, Caroline can never do any wrong and I can't stand parents like that, that can never criticise their children's actions. It leads to spoilt and unhealthy behaviour.

At the end of the day, Caroline did do wrong and she did assault her boyfriend. She deserved to be punished for that legally and she did deserve to be called out by the public and press. If it were a man, their treatment would be a lot worse. The police/prosecution in this case can't win. If they did nothing, they'd be criticised for not doing anything about her abusive behaviour as she's female and famous. When they did do something, they got a lot of stick for that, too.

Her exes even came out saying she was abusive and hard work. She clearly had a lot of issues and was hard work. Olly Murs even said she used to obsessively read up comments about herself on Twitter and other socials.

I don't like the way Caroline's mum has sort of snubbed Lou and other friends that really tried their hardest to help. Lou even was the one to find Caroline (along with her dad), and her dad tried resuscitating Caroline which must have been really traumatic. Caroline's mum has never shown gratitude or support to Lou, her dad or any of Caroline's friends.

We already had the Channel 4 documentary a few years ago about Caroline, I don't understand why we need another. I know what Caroline's mum is trying to do, she wants the public to change their mind about her daughter and feel guilt and remorse for anything bad that they've said. But I'm sorry, Caroline was abusive and hard work and that behaviour shouldn't be excused. I say this as a female victim of dv myself in a previous relationship. It does anger me to be honest.

 

[Bazaar99]

This whole thing is a nightmare situation for everyone involved. As a young widow myself, I know the death of a partner leaves a stain on your soul no matter the circumstances. You are also vulnerable for years, even if you think you're back on track. People who have been bereaved live on one side of a curtain. You can see everyone else through it but you fel there's a constant barrier. It's so hard to even understand what state you're in mentally let alone acknowledge and deal with.
Some people move on to new relationships quicker than others. There's no set time frame whether it be 10 weeks or years. But it's also a breeding ground for predators to get their teeth into you. I had a narrow escape from a widower who became obsessed with me after a few coffees together, his wife had died 4 months earlier and he just couldn't accept he was in a shit situation like that.
This will be hideous, messy and painful for everyone affected by her death. No earth shattering insight from me here, just an observation from my own experience.

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

I do have some sympathy for Caroline's Mum - losing a child to suicide must be one of the most heinously painful things imaginable. That said, Caroline, and only Caroline, is responsible for her death. She had a history of poor mental health and tried to take her life on previous occasions. If her friends had stayed, yes, she might not have killed herself at that point, but I suspect she would have done so further down the line anyway. Blaming her friends is cruel and is only making her look bitter and twisted.

 

[Mrsturnerreturns]

Totally agree with all the quotes here. It can't have been just down to her friends. Where's the family? Also if they'd kept her company for a year she may well have chosen to end it eventually the second she was alone and able to anyway.

That must have been horrific for her friends to come back to

I agree. To a point. But how do you keep on babysitting a 40 year old woman with severe m/h issues who refused psychiatric (and even medical) help especially when you have your own family, life, responsibilities etc and live far away? It’s impossible. I truly believe her Mum needs some intensive therapy to address her grief and guilt rather than sanction a public documentary that looks like it may vilify friends who it seems went over and above several times. Such a sad situation.

CF was destined to do one thing which was to take her own life. The method in which she did it gave her no opportunity to backtrack. It was not a cry for help. It was infinite. That speaks the volumes it needs too for her loved ones to accept it and try to move on with their own lives. No matter how devestated they are.

 

[darkcherry14k]

The fact he called police tells me he was scared for himself and/or her. That should not be taken likely or minimised. The details that have came out about when the police arrived she admitted she assaulted him, she had self harmed, there was blood everywhere and in the police station she flipped a table. Man or woman it doesn't matter, she sounded completely out of control and down right scary no wonder he called the police, this is not just a case of 'flicking a phone' she was obviously in a heightened state where she could not be calmed. He was that fearful he called the police, that is domestic violence - including threats of harm or harm to yourself in order to frighten or emotional blackmail/control your partner. I know Lewis got alot of hate for calling the police but I think given the information about the state she was in it was very much warranted. I know her mum and other people were criticising the police but they were doing there job? The cos decided there was enough evidence to charge her, they had footage of her admitted she hit him? What were they supposed to do? Let her off because she was a celebrity?

 

[SchrödingersStrawberry]

Yeah well we’ll never know if it was domestic violence as it didn’t go to court? And her and her boyfriend both denied it. So give it a rest

There was however sufficient evidence for it to go to court. It’s VERY common for the victim to deny anything went on and it’s obvious why a perpetrator would deny it. I had videos, pictures and sound recordings of the abuse I endured but yet it wasn’t taken further because of so called ‘lack of evidence’... so there must’ve been some pretty damming evidence. Some of the comments I’ve read on social media throughout this whole thing such as ‘We’ve all made silly mistakes like that before’. No, we haven’t. It does a massive disservice to victims of domestic abuse and who, even after years after escaping the abuse, still face challenges and issues because of what they had to endure. It’s not something that should be forgotten about. It’s clear she had alcohol, drug and mental health issues so who’s to say she wouldn’t have killed herself regardless if there wasn't a media trial and wasn’t all over the press being bullied.

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

This. Just read the Guardian article, and the bit about "I had to collect her from school a few times because they couldn't stop the crying" really stood out to me. There is no suggestion in the article that anyone sought help for what sound like early-onset (and lifelong) problems with mood regulation.

https://www.archive.is/https://www....interview-search-for-truth-documentary-disney

And this: “With all these highs, though, were the lows she kept hidden. There were spells in hospital, or she would check herself in just to be safe.”

and her mum never knew if she was calling in the middle of the night in a crisis or because she had something fun to tell her.

She was a 40 year old woman with lifelong mental health issues which were so serious she admitted herself to hospital on multiple occasions. Her mother needs to stop blaming everyone else and everything else for her daughter’s MH issues. I can’t see how this documentary will help her at all, particularly as her ‘setting the record straight’ seems to involve massively skewing the story. This is just going to result in the whole thing being dragged up again

 

[Gym&Tonic]

The friends will probably live with it on their conscience for the rest of their lives as it is, laying the blame at their door is disgraceful. If someone wants to end their life they will do it regardless. IMO she probably had BPD.

 

[Persephonehasreturned]

Regarding Caroline’s family and specifically her mother - she was a 40 year old woman. Who is to know how much they knew of her struggles with mental health, alcohol, violence?

I know during periods where my mental health isn’t great, when I do things I am ashamed of, I don’t share that with my family. I’d say I have a close family, but often the desire to not have someone’s perception of you change is a massive issue for people struggling with MH.

Her family might have known she could be “a bit fiery”, “loved a wine” “was a bit intense sometimes” etc. They quite easily didn’t know that she was as volatile, fragile and quite frankly dangerous to herself and others she was. The shock of finding out what they thought they knew about their daughter, sister would make the grief worse because they’ll be asking themselves what would be different if they had known, why did she not tell them etc. Caroline’s mother did not behave well placing the blame at people who were doing their job however I think I can understand why. I feel terribly sorry for them as a family.

 

[GeminiMoon]

It’s not very pleasant of me to point out but both Caroline and her mother seem(ed) prone to histrionic, inappropriate and attention-seeking behaviour more befitting of a teenager than a grown woman. Her mother can’t see Caroline’s flaws because she shares them.

 

[MamaD]

Although a desperately sad situation, she did what she did. I have a feeling many issues would have come out in the court case (drug use etc) and Caroline could not live with the fact that people would hear about the real life she lived. Not this glam successful women but more like a lonely woman who had mental health issues and abused drink and drugs and would get violent with her partners. If the roles were reversed her boyfriend would have been hung out to dry.

 

[OnlyHereForTheLolz]

can we all just agree that a partner hit another partner with a hard object whilst they were sleeping and the semantics of what it was and the method of hitting them is irrelevant as it is still domestic violence?
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Caroline Flack and Jade ‘The Racist’ Goodie’s obtaining sainthood does my head in.

Don’t say anything though, just ‘be kind’, with a phone/lamp/object to your partners head whilst they sleep and can’t defend themselves.

Really weird that a couple of people on this thread is riding so hard for CF. Like do they have some skin in the game? Do they act the same in private? It's fucking weird. She intentionally did something to him whilst he was sleeping, at his most vulnerable and unable to defend himself

 

[IllBredHen]

What always strikes me is how her mum explains how much Caroline wanted to hide her struggles, felt shame for being mentally unwell (which is awful) and became suicidal again when she thought of the world finding out about her true struggles with self harm and suicidality. If that were my daughter I would not keep making documentaries about the secrets she guarded so closely, just to try to find blame. It's all desperately sad and I hope her mum can get some good grief and trauma therapy and find ways to move forward with her life, remembering Caroline in different ways as she does.

 

[Gym&Tonic]

I think people need to be a bit kinder to Caroline’s mum. She’s grieving the loss of her child and she’s unlikely to be thinking rationally.

 

[MrsBsDayOff]

Not sure why the previous thread was locked so early.

I saw that Caroline’s mum Christine is in the papers blaming her friends Lou and Molly for leaving her on the night she died. Am I mistaken or was it originally said that she died in the afternoon when her friend nipped out to the shops and was discovered on her return?

Previous thread (locked at page 29) here: https://tattle.life/threads/caroline-flack.4994/

I realise that Caroline's mum must still be in pain, but i feel so uncomfortable with her pointing fingers at Caroline's friends.
For balance, I also realise that the mum may be vulnerable and poorly advised or exploited by the tv producers.

 

[Sandyclaws]

Im just starting to watch this now.

For someone who was so paranoid about people finding out whats in her phone/her inner thoughts/ feelings, why oh why would her family think revealing all of these details is what she would have wanted?
Like she ended her own life because she was so concerned about what would come out in court and public opinion........ why on earth would any of her loved ones think this would be what would honour her



Edited to add: the message thd mother sent on her anniversary "what some people drove you to".

Noone except Caroline and her own actions drove her to this.

As someone who has survived a suicide attempt, yes there were external factors that got too much, but it was something *I* attempted, and hoped to succeed in.

 

[didisaythatoutloudoops]

The media didn’t kill Caroline - her m/h issues did. Simple as.

100%. Even prior to fame (in college) her parents note she had attempted suicide after a relationship failed. Fame was hideously bad for her and exacerbated her behaviour, but the underlying issues were there from the start.

 

[Be More Pacific]

It’s such a sad series of events. I really feel for her poor mother but I’m not sure her anger is directed at the right people, the police were just following their procedures, the CPS had enough evidence to prosecute so they did. It seems Caroline was in a dark place with her mental health and these events all proved too much. If it’s true that her boyfriend sent pictures of the scene to others , that is unforgivable.

Her mother needs to STFU - she is embarrassing herself.

Her daughter was an unstable, paranoid, jealous, unpredictable, violent mess (and had been for a long time) with appalling taste in men, who clearly self medicated with alcohol and no doubt illegal drugs, instead of getting herself the help she was in the very fortunate position to be able to afford.

I think Caroline taking her own life was always going to happen, as long as she continued to choose to live her life in the public eye.