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I'm uncomfortable with the line some are pushing on here about Caroline being a domestic abuser. I would agree that the 'it was an accident' line of defence should always be refuted IF there is evidence of this being more than a one off incident. As far as I'm aware there has been nothing from her boyfriend/police/cps to imply this.
While I agree that saying you are going to kill yourself can be an emotionally abusive tactic, it can only be described as such if the person has no intent on doing it. In Caroline's case it was a clear symptom of her mental health issues.
Therefore the list of 'abusive' things she is alleged to have done happened on one occasion after she allegedly found out about her boyfriends cheating. This isn't minimising it, it's just stating a fact that from what we know of the facts she MAY be guilty of a one off assault, but there is no indication of a pattern of abuse or that she was an abuser or abusive person in general.
Also someone implied the Instagram post that Caroline wasn't allowed to send out was somehow indicative of being an abuser, I beg to disagree. She clearly stated that she takes responsibility for her actions and she refuses to blame anyone else. Classic abusive behaviour would be the opposite where the abuser denies responsibility and tries to put blame on the victim or anyone but themselves.
I'm not saying the CPS are to blame for pursuing the case and it's a positive thing that they are finally trying to take DV more seriously, but they seem to have their priorities all wrong. The reason why the government quite rightly brought in new laws against DV was because of the thousands of women and children around the country living in fear of violent male partners, having to flee their homes and take refuge in over flowing women's shelters around the country. Two women in the UK are murdered every week by their partners because the police or justice system has failed them.
These are the cases that need prosecuting, but it seems like the CPS wanted to make an example of a high profile female celebrity instead.
I note that Nicky Butt, ex Man Utd player and now Academy manager, was arrested last April for domestic violence against his wife. He was due to appear in court this week but his wife refused to testify against him but, unlike with Caroline's case, the CPS dropped the case instead of proceeding. He merely got cautioned and fined for criminal damage to her phone.
Also noteable how the media coverage for his case was virtually non existent (I didn't even know he was arrested and charged last year).
The press may have a duty to report famous people's court cases but the way the disgusting tabloid press and high profile 'journalists' (like Dan Wooten , Piss Morgan even Eamonn Holmes) vilify, harass, stalk, bully, make up lies and bullshit stories about famous people (nearly always women) is unacceptable and deeply disturbing. Their responses expressing remorse about Caroline's tragic death show them to be total hypocrites. The fact two of these bullying misogynists are employed by ITV just shows that they are a morally bankrupt organisation too.
The tabloid press and high profile social media trolls spewing hatred every day may not be to blame for Caroline's death, it's not as simple as that, but they are one of the many contributing factors and they are a stain on our society. | | | | |
I also don't believe she was an abuser. I do believe that she probably quite often went mental and flipped out causing her to scream, shout and throw things around. Many years ago when I was abusing substances and hating myself and the world around me I would do the same. Usually in a situation that didn't really call for it but when your mind and body is being battered these are the consequences. It is generally targeted at the partner because he is there at the moment and not directly related, they come and go unlike family. However I never self harmed and never felt suicidal despite a rough upbringing and poor self image. Had my behaviour been publicised I would have been even more ashamed and can't guarantee how that would have affected me. As it was at the time I do whatever I wanted then throw all the friends away and start fresh. No record on social media just memories which was bad enough, especially when bumping into an old face from said life. I did abuse people st the time but only in the moment and I would apologise but I would then walk away. I never continued to abuse them. I never understood what was going on with me and I didn't ever speak about it. I didn't know what to say and I carried on with my life as if all was ok. When I stopped the drugs it all just went away. I have since always battled depression and anxiety and poor self image but I manage it ok mostly. I'm 34 now and very happy but I do have demons from my "previous life" shame, guilt, regret. I see people from that life, usually at my kids school
but I don't bat an eyelid face to face. No one yet has even so much as said hiya you alright etc.
We dont know what happened when they got home that night. High on drugs and alcohol (possibly, we don't know for sure yet) at some point she has been through his phone and found texts, we are led to believe at this point he was asleep, so what happens next, she attacks him in bed, he gets up and they fight and argue. She says horrible things and no doubt he was giving as good as he got. She cuts herself and threatens suicide. Things are completely out of hand and he calls the police. The police arrive, CF is manic, theres blood everywhere.
CPS 100% have done the right thing in pursuing the case due to the scene they witnessed. Who knows what CF's side of the story was but in that moment whatever happened was horrific. Be that due to drugs or simply her mental state. At her own admittance she behaved badly. Yes social media and the media played their part in hounding a fragile person and that is awful but it won't ever change. People are opinionated and the internet makes it all too easy for them to jump on the band wagon. However, when you're in the public eye and act in a certain way you will be scrutinised. They need to toughen up, block the haters or shut down their profiles or whatever and not read the papers etc, maybe it's not that easy I dont know. CF could have owned up to her problems and sought help but I gwt the impression she was embarrassed and ashamed about how she was feeling even long before the incident and her misuse of drugs and alcohol exasperated everything. On the outside she is said to have been bubbly, vivacious and full of life, which certainly seemed to be the case in general. But on the inside she was already tormented and then this all got out of hand and she felt she needed to end it. We will never truly know why
I barely knew she existed really before her death but it has touched me. I don't know why. I've never felt suicidal so its not that I relate to her story at all. Its just really struck a cord with me. Shes not the first celebrity to have taken her own life and never before have I felt much more than sympathy when reading other stories. It seems she had a good upbringing and was close to her family, even having a twin! That bond must be so strong.
Rambling on when it's none of my business and doesn't effect my life
just feels very strange.
I've never understood suicide and always felt it a very selfish act for all the loved ones. My friends cousin hung himself and his sister found him. She was tormented by it for a long time and now has found her coping mechanism where she has put him on a pedestal. As has everyone else in the family. I don't know how would react but i imagine i would be mostly angry and disappointed once my grief had passed. All in all it's incredibly sad and i have no idea why I'm rambling on and on
sorry if you've had managed to get this far and endure my ramblings. I have a 4 month old baby, I dont see many adults
just read tattle and occasionally comment
How do we know she was abusing drugs ?
Dont know for certain. I worded that wrongly. Should have said allegedly.
she was a TOP tv presenter.
interesting to know how it happened like that
