Caroline Flack

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[Atomic Blonde]

Jake scott told the sun? Ah yeah the truthful sun newspaper ffs

Right? These lying hypocrites are part of the problem. Vultures making money out of a dead woman. So disrespectful.

 

[Snarky]

Not sure this has already but asked as too many comments to look through but seems Lewis Burton is pointing finger at CPS, police etc saying their fault and she didn't assault him, now showing a photo of his head to prove it etc but was he not the one that phoned to police to come to the house saying she was assaulting him? I don't get it. He's saying they arrested her even though she clearly needed help however in the plea hearing they appear to talk about the the call he made and he wasn't saying anything like that. I just don't get it

 

[Dirty Joan]

Why is he showing the picture as “proof” she didn’t assault him. How did he get the wound then? People who equate the amount of blood loss or the size of the gash with the severity of the attack are severely naive.

But we don't know if she actually did hit him with a lamp while asleep, that's what we read

We do. It was stated in the hearing in December.

 

[Annealise]

I disagree with posts saying she wasn’t an abuser. Hitting someone over the head while they’re at their most vulnerable and defenceless is abusive. Threatening suicide to your partner abusive. (we also know she did this in a previous relationship, and was apparently abusive to him too) Threatening suicide to the police unless they drop the charges is abusive. Yelling, screaming and calling someone extreme names is abusive. Slitting your wrists when you’re not getting your way is abusive.

she was a very troubled woman but let’s call a spade a spade here. Her behaviour has all the hallmarks of someone who is abusive and manipulative.

She said that the lamp incident was an accident - so give her the benefit of the doubt please. He phoned the police saying he had woken up and she’d tried to kill him. If it was an accident who’s to blame for for her demise........

Not sure this has already but asked as too many comments to look through but seems Lewis Burton is pointing finger at CPS, police etc saying their fault and she didn't assault him, now showing a photo of his head to prove it etc but was he not the one that phoned to police to come to the house saying she was assaulting him? I don't get it. He's saying they arrested her even though she clearly needed help however in the plea hearing they appear to talk about the the call he made and he wasn't saying anything like that. I just don't get it

But they have a police recording of him saying that he said she was trying to kill him - he must be trying to point the finger at others....

 

[gigi_93]

I disagree with posts saying she wasn’t an abuser. Hitting someone over the head while they’re at their most vulnerable and defenceless is abusive. Threatening suicide to your partner abusive. (we also know she did this in a previous relationship, and was apparently abusive to him too) Threatening suicide to the police unless they drop the charges is abusive. Yelling, screaming and calling someone extreme names is abusive. Slitting your wrists when you’re not getting your way is abusive.

she was a very troubled woman but let’s call a spade a spade here. Her behaviour has all the hallmarks of someone who is abusive and manipulative.

I don’t think people slit their wrists because they aren’t getting their way

 

[Moley1]

I'm uncomfortable with the line some are pushing on here about Caroline being a domestic abuser. I would agree that the 'it was an accident' line of defence should always be refuted IF there is evidence of this being more than a one off incident. As far as I'm aware there has been nothing from her boyfriend/police/cps to imply this. While I agree that saying you are going to kill yourself can be an emotionally abusive tactic, it can only be described as such if the person has no intent on doing it. In Caroline's case it was a clear symptom of her mental health issues. Therefore the list of 'abusive' things she is alleged to have done happened on one occasion after she allegedly found out about her boyfriends cheating. This isn't minimising it, it's just stating a fact that from what we know of the facts she MAY be guilty of a one off assault, but there is no indication of a pattern of abuse or that she was an abuser or abusive person in general. Also someone implied the Instagram post that Caroline wasn't allowed to send out was somehow indicative of being an abuser, I beg to disagree. She clearly stated that she takes responsibility for her actions and she refuses to blame anyone else. Classic abusive behaviour would be the opposite where the abuser denies responsibility and tries to put blame on the victim or anyone but themselves. I'm not saying the CPS are to blame for pursuing the case and it's a positive thing that they are finally trying to take DV more seriously, but they seem to have their priorities all wrong. The reason why the government quite rightly brought in new laws against DV was because of the thousands of women and children around the country living in fear of violent male partners, having to flee their homes and take refuge in over flowing women's shelters around the country. Two women in the UK are murdered every week by their partners because the police or justice system has failed them. These are the cases that need prosecuting, but it seems like the CPS wanted to make an example of a high profile female celebrity instead. I note that Nicky Butt, ex Man Utd player and now Academy manager, was arrested last April for domestic violence against his wife. He was due to appear in court this week but his wife refused to testify against him but, unlike with Caroline's case, the CPS dropped the case instead of proceeding. He merely got cautioned and fined for criminal damage to her phone. Also noteable how the media coverage for his case was virtually non existent (I didn't even know he was arrested and charged last year). The press may have a duty to report famous people's court cases but the way the disgusting tabloid press and high profile 'journalists' (like Dan Wooten , Piss Morgan even Eamonn Holmes) vilify, harass, stalk, bully, make up lies and bull stories about famous people (nearly always women) is unacceptable and deeply disturbing. Their responses expressing remorse about Caroline's tragic death show them to be total hypocrites. The fact two of these bullying misogynists are employed by ITV just shows that they are a morally bankrupt organisation too. The tabloid press and high profile social media trolls spewing hatred every day may not be to blame for Caroline's death, it's not as simple as that, but they are one of the many contributing factors and they are a stain on our society.

Can you provide evidence that the CPS wanted to make an example of a high profile female celebrity please?
Also do you know what evidence the CPS had against Butt? If without his wife’s testimony the case became weaker to the point that the CPS felt they had little chance of a conviction, they have no option but to drop the case. In the case of Ms Flack, the transcription of the 999 call along with the police evidence from the scene was clearly enough for the CPS to continue with confidence.

 

[Dirty Joan]

She said that the lamp incident was an accident - so give her the benefit of the doubt please. He phoned the police saying he had woken up and she’d tried to kill him. If it was an accident who’s to blame for for her demise........


But they have a police recording of him saying that he said she was trying to kill him - he must be trying to point the finger at others....

i don’t see how whacking someone over the head as they sleep and then continuing to verbally assault them is an accident but each to their own.

 

[Bashandcrash]

Clutching at straws here but could be a possibility that her hands were slippery with blood after she harmed herself and she dropped the lamp on him? (Can’t think of a reason why she was holding it though). People can become very confused when drunk and he could have been thinking she hit him with it which could be why he said so to the police on the phone.

 

[Kofi Annan]

I thought that. Lou I am assuming is the celeb hair stylist who was staying with her snd Mol must be the producer.

I follow Lou on Insta and she was/is the hair stylist for Harry Styles. They were very close by all accounts and pics show her with her Caroline in her appt 5 days before her death.

 

[Betsi]

Clutching at straws here but could be a possibility that her hands were slippery with blood after she harmed herself and she dropped the lamp on him? (Can’t think of a reason why she was holding it though). People can become very confused when drunk and he could have been thinking she hit him with it which could be why he said so to the police on the phone.

It's possible. It's also possible he was half out of it and didn't take in the exact details of how the lamp hurt him. She may have hurled the lamp in his general direction without intending for it to make contact. But as the person on the receiving end of a rage that could be terrifying.

Or maybe she did actually deliberately hit him over the head with the lamp. Until he speaks out about it we won't know, and may never know. But there are a number of possibilities.

 

[Whistledown]

Has anyone read Andrew Brady's blog post? He is attacking Dan Wooton saying he should be fired! He's saying that the press used to pick unflattering pics of Caroline to post? I've always thought she looked great in any press pics I've seen on her?

He's also saying that celebrities love lives should be private but Caroline herself posted photos on her own Instagram of her boyfriends. I thought after the bad split with Andrew she would keep her next relationship private but she didn't. If you value your privacy then why post about your love life on your open Instagram account? There are plenty of celebs who don't post anything about their love life on their instagram accounts.

Sorry, but Andrew is an absolute c#nt. He gleefully livestreamed getting his "disgusting, toxic' CF tattoo removed. As well as pouncing on an opportunity to sell his NDA agreement to the rags, despite the fact that NDAs are absolutely common practice in that world. Lawyers have to protect their clients interests.

Part of the problem here is c list celebs being unable to resist from announcing every second of their private lives on social media. He wanted to hurt her (he probably felt justified), and he succeeded.

This was posted in a one direction magazine saw someone shared it and thought how awful it was

Yep. And those toxic little 1Ders are now in their late 20s and still dislike her. I wonder if there is any truth in the rumours that Cowell (misguidedly) suggest she be Harry's beard in those early days?

 

[DramaNoDrama]

Sorry, yes I shouldn't be judging her. Dawn's the only celeb who's grief seems genuine.

I think Olly Murs and Ian Sterling are distraught too ..

 

[Whistledown]

i don’t see how whacking someone over the head as they sleep and then continuing to verbally assault them is an accident but each to their own.

When someone has just self harmed in the way Caroline had, and had drunk as much as she had, it's probably a fair assumption she wasn't in her right mind.

But we don't know if she actually did hit him with a lamp while asleep, that's what we read

The original statement was actually "while he was in bed". The fast asleep thing is a figment of the press / gossips imaginations.

 

[Whistledown]

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I don’t think it’s disrespectful or wrong to discuss the circumstances surrounding her arrest. I think the media have lost the run of themselves as have people online, claiming she was a saint when no she was not. She wasn’t a demon but she wasn’t an angel either. She was human. We are allowed to discuss those facts without being made feel like it’s disrespectful. Yes she’s no longer here and that is sad but she did something awful and we are entitled to discuss that.



i got this information from the transcript of the court hearing that took place in December.
And yes I am lovely thank you.

I think it might be fair to say that you read the newspapers report on the hearing, and embellished it with your own opinions, no?

I would politely suggest that you read back what you originally posted.

"also know she did this in a previous relationship, and was apparently abusive to him too"

Know this how exactly? Oh because Andrew Brady said so on social media?

"Threatening suicide to the police unless they drop the charges is abusive."
"unless they drop charges"... fabrication.

"Slitting your wrists when you’re not getting your way is abusive."
Really now? We're you a huge one direction fan back in the day by any remote chance?

 

[Snarky]

I'm not even going to try and assume what really happened the night she got arrested I just don't understand Lewis Burton pointing the finger at cps and police when he was the one that phoned them and reported assault. What did he think was going to happen after phoning police? Arrests and charges would be pretty standard after that. He is now saying she didn't assault him so why did he phone the police and say that she did

Sorry, but Andrew is an absolute c#nt. He gleefully livestreamed getting his "disgusting, toxic' CF tattoo removed. As well as pouncing on an opportunity to sell his NDA agreement to the rags, despite the fact that NDAs are absolutely common practice in that world. Lawyers have to protect their clients interests.

Part of the problem here is c list celebs being unable to announce every second of their private lives on social media. He wanted to hurt her (he probably felt justified), and he succeeded.



Yep. And those toxic little 1Ders are now in their late 20s and still dislike her. I wonder if there is any truth in the rumours that Cowell (misguidedly) suggest she be Harry's beard in those early days?

This is awful. Is this a actual magazine!?!

 

[Goldie99]

I'm not even going to try and assume what really happened the night she got arrested I just don't understand Lewis Burton pointing the finger at cps and police when he was the one that phoned them and reported assault. What did he think was going to happen after phoning police? Arrests and charges would be pretty standard after that. He is now saying she didn't assault him so why did he phone the police and say that she did

My thoughts entirely

 

[Justhereforthegoss]

an unpublished instagram post......so she wrote it but didnt press the button, it was sat there ready to go?

Yeah she had posted on her story that she wasn't going to keep quiet any longer and she was going to tell her side of the story...but nothing else ever came of it. She had obviously been warned by her "advisor" not to post anything in regards to the DV charge. Pity she didn't just post it quickly and take the repercussions of posting it as it could've changed the hate she was getting.

 

[kev1974]

The original statement was actually "while he was in bed". The fast asleep thing is a figment of the press / gossips imaginations.

It's not, it's what Lewis Burton said, according to the court hearing.

Caroline Flack 'flipped table' after 'hitting boyfriend with lamp'

The Love Island presenter, 40, and her boyfriend Lewis Burton, 27, were allegedly both covered in blood when police arrived at their north London home.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk

According to that, her rampage continued at the police station too, culminating in her flipping over a table and having to be held down on the police station floor.