All really valid points and I agree no one been disrespectful at all. I also agree its raiaed lots of important issues and think peob helped lots on here to discuss them. I am probably just being overly sensitive.x
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I don’t think you’re necessarily wrong. This thread was started after Caroline Flack died out of respect for her as a person after reflecting on the nature of the previous thread about her.
So much really considered, knowledgeable and thoughtful conversation about mental health has occurred on this thread. I think it is a shame to see it as purely being morbid.
Rather (was going to say yes and no but that's not what I'd feel is accurate way of putting it to be fair) with the side effects (is a well researched thing but it's seldom talked about) with various suppose pain killers as well as anaesthetics side effects can result in depression, have a life long illness myself from about the age of 11 to say certainly 21 (even after then as well) which is when I think mine started from (convinced actually) have had numerous checks on essentially is called Familial Adenomatous Polyposis is hugely complex but the be all and end all is that it will inevitably lead to bowel cancer if not treated, had numerous colonoscopies from say 11 until I was about 17 I think it was, was always put to sleep for them, could have been that which caused my clinical depression but no way of knowing exactly.
I think it’s a little strange that some people are saying ‘see Caroline said it was an accident, I can’t believe it was being pursued in court/it’s so dreadful she couldn’t defend herself’ etc.
firstly CF was reportedly off her face that night on alcohol and drugs. Her memories of exactly what happened are likely not that reliable. Secondly it’s fairly natural for people to shy away from uncomfortable actions, and convince themselves of a more defensible version of events. Not to mention that when sober I’m sure she absolutely regretted her actions, so it’s easy to say it was an ‘accident’ as in, something she would not have done in her right mind. Thirdly, even if she knew deep down that she was responsible, it’s still in her interests to minimise the situation and put out a version of events that paints her in a better light.
Ultimately the truth is unlikely to ever come out now, but I don’t think Caroline saying she’s innocent is likely to be the most credible version of events. I doubt the CPS would have continued to pursue a conviction without very solid evidence that this was more than just ‘an accident’.
firstly CF was reportedly off her face that night on alcohol and drugs. Her memories of exactly what happened are likely not that reliable. Secondly it’s fairly natural for people to shy away from uncomfortable actions, and convince themselves of a more defensible version of events. Not to mention that when sober I’m sure she absolutely regretted her actions, so it’s easy to say it was an ‘accident’ as in, something she would not have done in her right mind. Thirdly, even if she knew deep down that she was responsible, it’s still in her interests to minimise the situation and put out a version of events that paints her in a better light.
Ultimately the truth is unlikely to ever come out now, but I don’t think Caroline saying she’s innocent is likely to be the most credible version of events. I doubt the CPS would have continued to pursue a conviction without very solid evidence that this was more than just ‘an accident’.
I understand the strange feeling, I think that’s inevitable when the initial shock begins to fade after someone dies. But continuing to talk about and around them is the best way to process it. For a personal friend, it’s a way of keeping memories alive to fill the void left by their death. In this case, I think by talking around the subject as we have we are making the very best of a tragic situation. Sharing personal experiences with mental health struggles or domestic violence along with those offering professional knowledge about the police or mental health services or whatever. It’s been largely a really supportive space, and I think we can all benefit from that. Plus sometimes a death like this can be really upsetting even if it’s a celebrity you don’t know personally. It’s important people don’t feel stupid for being affected by it. We can’t just shut down the thread and pretend people don’t still want to talk about it. Especially as it was started after she died.
Unfortunately in modern times, thanks to social media, the news is never tomorrow's fish and chip paper because people share more and keep it relevant for longer. Celebrities are easier to access ow than they have ever been and this always has an a impact.
I could message, say, Sarah Jessica Parker directly right now whereas 10 years ago, that wouldn't have been possible.
This is true and we live in an age of cancelling culture where one mistake can cost you a whole career.
The Caroline flack thing was so odd for me id never really have give her much thought either way. Only the amount of people who couldn't stand her people who I know now all of a sudden love her. It's sad it takes death to make people feel more humility to people I always thought she was someone who read an auto cue etc but then you realise there s flesh and blood behind that and in her case like a lot of people in the media a fragile person who needed to people please. Which is what a lot of people are.
I don’t se the issue with the thread being left open for those who want to contribute.
If you don’t want to comment here or read it you don’t have to.
If you don’t want to comment here or read it you don’t have to.
Caroline Flack's last Whatsapp message shared by ex Danny Cipriani:
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She seems so flat in her message back, no energy, no vitality. She was in such a bad depression
Caroline Flack's last Whatsapp messages shared by Danny Cipriani
The Gloucester Rugby star shared a screenshot of his last exchange with Caroline Flack and announced he is quitting social media plans
She seems so flat in her message back, no energy, no vitality. She was in such a bad depression
All I can see is blame-shifting and minimizing in that statement. Your actions show taking responsibility, not false promises. What she did WAS abuse, from invading his privacy and looking through his phone, to the verbal abuse to the physical abuse. The only action
she seems to have took was going to L.A. for some unproven therapy which as far as I can see doubled as a nice break for her. Did this emotional breakdown cause her to get paranoid and rage at 2 other boyfriends? If so she hadn't taken responsibility then either.
Now it seems she was telling friends, family and Piers Morgan it was 'just an accident'. Again minimizing and blame-shifting because causing someone fear and going into rages at them is not 'an accident'.
....On the subject of the thread staying open. Her friends are continuing to comment in the press, her family likely will and there will be an inquest that will get a lot of coverage, so this is going to stay in the public eye for some time.
I find this an interesting interview. She seems sad here and so so uncomfortable when depression was brought up. She clearly wanted to hide the full extent of her illness.
If a guy went on about accidentally assaulting his girlfriend people wouldn't accept it as gospel and say he's a victim.
Danny C needs to shut the duck up, she's dead and private messages should stay private. The private message says she's worried about the court case, hardly in the public interest or anything new.
He's making the story about him because he recently texted her.
I have no time for someone that announces they will be leaving Instagram for a month. I don't care. Stick to chasing the egg sweet cheeks.
Danny C needs to shut the duck up, she's dead and private messages should stay private. The private message says she's worried about the court case, hardly in the public interest or anything new.
He's making the story about him because he recently texted her.
I have no time for someone that announces they will be leaving Instagram for a month. I don't care. Stick to chasing the egg sweet cheeks.
With regards to DC sharing their messages I'm mindful that he's likely 'talking' with a heavy heart.
CF called him on the Friday evening prior to her death but he was playing a match so obviously missed the call.
After the game the teams all go upstairs for the meal and generally socialise and mingle. His team lost so he probably wasn't in the highest of spirits but not necessarily downbeat.
It's highly unlikely (but not impossible) that he didn't check his phone and see her missed call but opted not to return the call immediately thinking 'it can wait'.....
Sadly we all know how Saturday went and I'm sure, if I were in his shoes, I'd be feeling huge regret, and numerous what if's, had he called back no matter how late of an evening.
I get that lots of people are jumping on the sorrow bandwagon but I think he's definitely more genuine than most.
He's a fine egg chaser too
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CF called him on the Friday evening prior to her death but he was playing a match so obviously missed the call.
After the game the teams all go upstairs for the meal and generally socialise and mingle. His team lost so he probably wasn't in the highest of spirits but not necessarily downbeat.
It's highly unlikely (but not impossible) that he didn't check his phone and see her missed call but opted not to return the call immediately thinking 'it can wait'.....
Sadly we all know how Saturday went and I'm sure, if I were in his shoes, I'd be feeling huge regret, and numerous what if's, had he called back no matter how late of an evening.
I get that lots of people are jumping on the sorrow bandwagon but I think he's definitely more genuine than most.
He's a fine egg chaser too
& Agree 100% he says in his post that talking helps and he has publicly talked about his mental health so if that's what helps him I'm all for it. We should be encouraging men to talk about their MHWith regards to DC sharing their messages I'm mindful that he's likely 'talking' with a heavy heart.
CF called him on the Friday evening prior to her death but he was playing a match so obviously missed the call.
After the game the teams all go upstairs for the meal and generally socialise and mingle. His team lost so he probably wasn't in the highest of spirits but not necessarily downbeat.
It's highly unlikely (but not impossible) that he didn't check his phone and see her missed call but opted not to return the call immediately thinking 'it can wait'.....
Sadly we all know how Saturday went and I'm sure, if I were in his shoes, I'd be feeling huge regret, and numerous what if's, had he called back no matter how late of an evening.
I get that lots of people are jumping on the sorrow bandwagon but I think he's definitely more genuine than most.
He's a fine egg chaser too
Personally, out of all the slebs telling us how heartbroken they are, DC is the one person that I think has been genuine in expressing how he feels and in grieving honestly in the best way he knows how. CF clearly had a huge number of friends, some closer than others. Very few will really know what her mental health was like or why her relationships ended the way that they did and why, ultimately, she took her own life. I think we all need to respect the fact that anyone that knew her personally will be struggling to process all this. I agree many are using her name to garner the limelight but some, a small some, are clearly hurting. I don't know how I'd feel in their situation.
Yes. This 100%. It seems like they shared their vulnerabilities and had a deep understanding of each other. I feel for DC so much; I’m sure he must be plagued with thoughts of ‘what if I had taken that call on Friday...’ I hope not for his sake, he doesn’t need to be tortured and if CF had made her mind up at that point, the purpose of the call may have been some sort of goodbye... I don’t know any of these people but the empath in me finds it hard not to feel their sadness and grief.With regards to DC sharing their messages I'm mindful that he's likely 'talking' with a heavy heart.
CF called him on the Friday evening prior to her death but he was playing a match so obviously missed the call.
After the game the teams all go upstairs for the meal and generally socialise and mingle. His team lost so he probably wasn't in the highest of spirits but not necessarily downbeat.
It's highly unlikely (but not impossible) that he didn't check his phone and see her missed call but opted not to return the call immediately thinking 'it can wait'.....
Sadly we all know how Saturday went and I'm sure, if I were in his shoes, I'd be feeling huge regret, and numerous what if's, had he called back no matter how late of an evening.
I get that lots of people are jumping on the sorrow bandwagon but I think he's definitely more genuine than most.
He's a fine egg chaser too
Could be more aimed at Piers?
Don’t really know why DC shared that random message anyway?
Where did you find out that she was "off her face" . I haven't seen that anywhere?
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