Caroline Flack

[Suzesnooze]

Keep private lives private... what Andrew like you did when you accused her of abusing you on your PUBLIC INSTAGRAM. And when you posted the confidential NdA on your PUBLIC INSTAGRAM... seriously fuck off. You breached her privacy yourself

He keeps saying in his blog post 'I call upon' wanting sackings left, right and centre. However, he does admit his own guilt in her suicide and so he bloody should. He's also set up a Justgiving page 'The Caroline Flack memorial fund' for donations to a charity close to her heart for trans kids. Did he ask her families permission first? No of course he didn't.

 

[Atomic Blonde]

When I first read her statement, I thought - gosh, an accident! And then I remembered every single abusive relationship I’ve been in, where it was always an “accident” We definitely don’t know what happened but I find seeing LB’s head-wound offensive, if he was a women we would be up in arms. Fact is - it looks pretty deep, could be hiding more and for her to have hit his head - he must have been lying or sitting down... it’s all very sad and I feel weirdly obsessed by it all. She must have been in such an awful state I'm uncomfortable with the line some are pushing on here about Caroline being a domestic abuser. I would agree that the 'it was an accident' line of defence should always be refuted IF there is evidence of this being more than a one off incident. As far as I'm aware there has been nothing from her boyfriend/police/cps to imply this. While I agree that saying you are going to kill yourself can be an emotionally abusive tactic, it can only be described as such if the person has no intent on doing it. In Caroline's case it was a clear symptom of her mental health issues. Therefore the list of 'abusive' things she is alleged to have done happened on one occasion after she allegedly found out about her boyfriends cheating. This isn't minimising it, it's just stating a fact that from what we know of the facts she MAY be guilty of a one off assault, but there is no indication of a pattern of abuse or that she was an abuser or abusive person in general. Also someone implied the Instagram post that Caroline wasn't allowed to send out was somehow indicative of being an abuser, I beg to disagree. She clearly stated that she takes responsibility for her actions and she refuses to blame anyone else. Classic abusive behaviour would be the opposite where the abuser denies responsibility and tries to put blame on the victim or anyone but themselves. I'm not saying the CPS are to blame for pursuing the case and it's a positive thing that they are finally trying to take DV more seriously, but they seem to have their priorities all wrong. The reason why the government quite rightly brought in new laws against DV was because of the thousands of women and children around the country living in fear of violent male partners, having to flee their homes and take refuge in over flowing women's shelters around the country. Two women in the UK are murdered every week by their partners because the police or justice system has failed them. These are the cases that need prosecuting, but it seems like the CPS wanted to make an example of a high profile female celebrity instead. I note that Nicky Butt, ex Man Utd player and now Academy manager, was arrested last April for domestic violence against his wife. He was due to appear in court this week but his wife refused to testify against him but, unlike with Caroline's case, the CPS dropped the case instead of proceeding. He merely got cautioned and fined for criminal damage to her phone. Also noteable how the media coverage for his case was virtually non existent (I didn't even know he was arrested and charged last year). The press may have a duty to report famous people's court cases but the way the disgusting tabloid press and high profile 'journalists' (like Dan Wooten , Piss Morgan even Eamonn Holmes) vilify, harass, stalk, bully, make up lies and bullshit stories about famous people (nearly always women) is unacceptable and deeply disturbing. Their responses expressing remorse about Caroline's tragic death show them to be total hypocrites. The fact two of these bullying misogynists are employed by ITV just shows that they are a morally bankrupt organisation too. The tabloid press and high profile social media trolls spewing hatred every day may not be to blame for Caroline's death, it's not as simple as that, but they are one of the many contributing factors and they are a stain on our society.

 

[Yel]

Stephanie Davis releasing a song and singling about "will you take the easy way out? Or fight through this doubt?" In aid of Caroline and donating to a charity that "PREVENT SUICIDE!!!" tops of how ridiculous this is getting.

Buy her single, it'll make a change

 

[Hihun]

Caroline Flack’s family releases powerful message she wrote days before she died

Caroline Flack's family has released a powerful message the TV presenter wrote days before she died, but was advised not to share on social media.

www.edp24.co.uk

Caroline’s family have released a statement that she wanted to upload a few weeks before her death. I feel awful for her reading this

This is heartbreaking So basically the papers could publish what they wanted to about her but she wasn’t allowed to even say this this? There should be some serious repercussions for whoever sold that photo of the blood, that should never have been made public.

 

[Sinkingship]

I see the sun have certainly changed their tone showing the ‘tiny wound’ not bleeding and no need for any complaint as all the blood was clearly from deep self inflicted wounds then poor Caroline mentallly exhausted was hauled into custody.
it’s making my blood boil how quick they change tack and public opinion but I also feel so desperately sad that she won’t see it, won’t feel the out pour of love or reconciliation with her bf. I have honestly felt that low Have tried to do silly things and this has deeply triggered me for some reason but I feel so so sad her choice was so unnecessarily final.

 

[TwooTwooTwitTwitTwoo]

Hi, I've been lurking for a bit, hope it's ok to jump in.

The kips reference in her autobiography isn't an education report on her. It's the nickname for a chap who stalked her. They called him Kips for short because he talked about wanting to bring her Mr Kipling cakes. He was unwell with schizophrenia at the time and believed everything she did or said on TV was a coded message meant for him.

Also with the small amount of knowledge I have, NPD is a definite no, Borderline (EUPD) possibly and there isn't enough info out there to say either way for Bi-Polar.

Lastly, not all threats of self harm/suicide are emotional abuse or manipulative, even if they happen more than once. It is possible that they could just be the outbursts of someone who was just mentally ill and in need of help and I say this with the experience of having a previous partner who was abusive and threatened and attempted suicide and as someone close to people who also threaten it but are definitely not abusive.

Sorry for the long post!

 

[Glozel]

This was posted in a one direction magazine saw someone shared it and thought how awful it was

Blimey why not say how you really feel, that's absolutely brutal. I'm shocked that that was actually printed tbh.

Men do seem to get more of a free pass when it comes to dating someone younger.

 

[Boredofgrey]

Long time lurker here.

I've been following this thread from the start and the only thing that is clear is that we each see this tragic unfolding of events via the narrative of our own experiences.

When I was 20 I threw a glass bottle of ketchup at a man who had emotionally abused me for 3 years.

He moved and it smashed up the wall.

He called the police and said i had tried to beat him over the head with it.

Luckily for me when the police came the one officer
must have got a feel that something was off as after talking to us both he asked if there was somewhere else I wanted to stay that night. I said yes, packed a bag and they took me to my parents.

That wasn't the end obviously but that's a long story.

Imagine how different my life could have gone if he hadn't moved out of the way.

I'm not saying that this is what happened with CF.

I'm not saying that there is any excuse for violence or that it shouldn't be punished.

I AM saying that context is relevant. And that's what we will never get here. Only Lewis now knows what exactly happened prior to the police arrival.

Please don’t think I’m diminishing your story but I have do story too.
My step father regularly lashed out. Police were regularly called. He would threaten suicide if my mum made murmurs of leaving him. He made a few attempts- the dv against myself, my mum and my little sister continued.
On one occasion, he threw me into a big old wooden toy box. My lower back collided with the wooden corner. Police were called and I had to go to hospital.
I was about 16. I wanted to press charges. However, the cause of this argument was I owed him £1. In a fit of teenage strop, I chucked a £1 at him. It hit him on his head. For this reason I could not press charges as I had been complicit in the violence.
I could list many other encounters.
I’m not making comment on yours or CF’s individual circumstances- my long waffley comment is really to show that dv is not linear, it’s complicated and everyone who’s ever experienced it will have a different story. We can’t make carte blanche comments on this case. We just don’t know what happened- none of us are good witnesses in our own lives. It’s impossible to be objective.
Dv is still taboo and even more taboo when it’s a woman against a man.
This whole situation is sad. There’s no winners. Only losers all round.

 

[Elessar]

I think it’s a little strange that some people are saying ‘see Caroline said it was an accident, I can’t believe it was being pursued in court/it’s so dreadful she couldn’t defend herself’ etc.

firstly CF was reportedly off her face that night on alcohol and drugs. Her memories of exactly what happened are likely not that reliable. Secondly it’s fairly natural for people to shy away from uncomfortable actions, and convince themselves of a more defensible version of events. Not to mention that when sober I’m sure she absolutely regretted her actions, so it’s easy to say it was an ‘accident’ as in, something she would not have done in her right mind. Thirdly, even if she knew deep down that she was responsible, it’s still in her interests to minimise the situation and put out a version of events that paints her in a better light.

Ultimately the truth is unlikely to ever come out now, but I don’t think Caroline saying she’s innocent is likely to be the most credible version of events. I doubt the CPS would have continued to pursue a conviction without very solid evidence that this was more than just ‘an accident’.

 

[Youtubegossip]

an unpublished instagram post......so she wrote it but didnt press the button, it was sat there ready to go?

She sent it to her mum. She was going to post it but was told not to. Assume by management or pr.

im going to unfollow this thread and stop reading about her I think. I find it all very sad and it’s bothered me a lot this week. RIP to Caroline is all I’ll say on it now, speculation doesn’t bring her back sadly

 

[Youtubegossip]

He keeps saying in his blog post 'I call upon' wanting sackings left, right and centre. However, he does admit his own guilt in her suicide and so he bloody should. He's also set up a Justgiving page 'The Caroline Flack memorial fund' for donations to a charity close to her heart for trans kids. Did he ask her families permission first? No of course he didn't.

He just needs to be a bit more respectful to Lewis and her family and shut up. Yes I’m sure he’s sad also but after what he posted when the allegations came out he’s got a cheek saying about people invading her privacy frankly. I’m sure he feels terribly guilty for things he said also but he should just put account on private and go and spend time with his own loved ones and try and deal with his emotions

 

[Londongirl5382]

I'd sign a petition to have Dan Wooton sacked as he is just horrible.

 

[minimazoo]

I really don’t understand how people saying she wanted to kill herself as a narcissistic thing? Surely in some cases but personally I don’t see it in this one. And she did kill herself so it’s not as though she was just saying it for attention.

But...she had form. When Andrew Brady called an ambulance she went to the press and told them he was a 'time waster' and that he was 'vindictive'. She really dug the knife in and she didn't need to. She could just have released a statement saying it was all a mistake but instead she demonised HIM. At the same time, her 'friends' who supplied the quotes to the media confirmed she DID imply she was going to commit suicide but she 'never would'. So then how could it be him being nasty?

To me that all seems very manipulative. Convince a loved one on the phone you are going to do it, convince ambulance crew you're not when they get there and then - convince the press and the public your boyfriend was responsible for it all as he's a nasty piece of work.

It seems on the night of the assault she used suicide again as a threat and told police she would kill herself. The prosecution said;
"It is clear the defendant is manipulative towards him.
"She calls him an a**hole and vile and says he has ruined her life when she has ruined her own life by committing the assault."
She then had to be restrained in police custody after throwing furniture and told police she would kill herself. To me that threat seems like a punishment to him who she said was 'vile'- and a threat to the police to leave her alone rather than her hating herself. I'm not saying she didn't hate herself...but it does seem like a pattern of using suicide threats alongside violent behaviour. She is clearly blaming her boyfriend for her choices and actions which is manipulative.
Where would the prosecution get their info from on her being manipulative? Most likely the events of that night and police statements from Burton.

She came over as being rather unpleasant and I got the impression that she would revell in others' misfortune, a school bully type of woman. As with a lot of bullies when the tables were turned she lost it completely. She said a few years ago after winning Strictly that she became very depressed and that her friends found her very draining, yes people can be draining and she sounds pretty self obsessed she really should have seen a professional counsellor/therapist its not as if she couldn't afford it. I am sorry she felt so wretched that she hung herself but I refuse to accept that was a martyr.

I think what she was really afraid of was the police footage. Not because it showed her with blood all over her as she said - but because it probably showed her true behaviour for which there would have been no excuse.
Abusive behaviour is all about control and people can't stand to let other people control the truth about them.

 

[thegirlscout]

A friend of mine works with a charity that deals a lot with male victims of domestic violence. He’s said in the past week, quite a few have felt unable to go forward with pressing charges or even getting help because the outpouring of love for Caroline Flack and the fact that her crime of domestic abuse has been reduced so much.
It could be a knee jerk reaction but it’s something I’ve been worried about happening. Such a horrendous situation.

 

[Dirty Joan]

Just goes to show the superficiality of their grief. Back to self promotion as quick as and to be featured in all the rags they apparently hate.

 

[megsmagoo]

Tribute to Caroline on tonight’s Love Island.

The tribute was lovely, did get a bit teary. I’ve found Caroline’s death has affected me and my friends a lot more then I would have imagined. She could have been one of our friends

 

[msp1124]

Caroline Flack’s family releases powerful message she wrote days before she died

Caroline Flack's family has released a powerful message the TV presenter wrote days before she died, but was advised not to share on social media.

www.edp24.co.uk

Caroline’s family have released a statement that she wanted to upload a few weeks before her death. I feel awful for her reading this

 

[Banana Man]

I think her friends need to just stay quiet for now and stop pegging a be kind movement to her as if she was a saint of perfection. There's lots of information that seems to suggest Caroline Flack was emotionally abusive and gas lit her partners. It's inappropriate.



People suggesting the CPS and police need to #bekind

 

[Dirty Joan]

And what was on the camera footage is likely supported by the 999 call and officer's statements. My personal opinion is that is showed her when her mask had slipped. To friends, she was the life and soul of the party, funny, 'intense' and impulsive are words they have used. I doubt they got to see the side of her the exes did!

I think the same. I think she likely felt snookered because if the description of the footage is anything to go by, the events of that night are a stark contradiction of the “embarrassing misunderstanding”, “bit of a kerfuffle” she tried to downplay it as. I don’t think she could reconcile with the fact that the public were about to see her acting in a violent and unstable manner. This may have been avoided if she pled guilty but then she would be on record as a domestic abuser and probably unemployable then too.

I don’t think she could see a way out.

I also think it’s interesting that she was in no way wiling to own her mistakes.

 

[OhhBacon]

That article her mum has published is really sad and to me really shows the fickle side of fame.
1) Her mum calls her Carrie, her ‘celeb friends’ seem to call her the formal Caroline, except the Love Island guy who said Caz. How close were these hangers on when they use her full name?
2) Where were they last week and the weeks before with their support. Sliding in to someone’s DMs is very different to publicly supporting someone