She came over as being rather unpleasant and I got the impression that she would revell in others' misfortune, a school bully type of woman. As with a lot of bullies when the tables were turned she lost it completely. She said a few years ago after winning Strictly that she became very depressed and that her friends found her very draining, yes people can be draining and she sounds pretty self obsessed she really should have seen a professional counsellor/therapist its not as if she couldn't afford it. I am sorry she felt so wretched that she hung herself but I refuse to accept that was a martyr.
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But...she had form. When Andrew Brady called an ambulance she went to the press and told them he was a 'time waster' and that he was 'vindictive'. She really dug the knife in and she didn't need to. She could just have released a statement saying it was all a mistake but instead she demonised HIM. At the same time, her 'friends' who supplied the quotes to the media confirmed she DID imply she was going to commit suicide but she 'never would'. So then how could it be him being nasty?
To me that all seems very manipulative. Convince a loved one on the phone you are going to do it, convince ambulance crew you're not when they get there and then - convince the press and the public your boyfriend was responsible for it all as he's a nasty piece of work.
It seems on the night of the assault she used suicide again as a threat and told police she would kill herself. The prosecution said;
"It is clear the defendant is manipulative towards him.
"She calls him an a**hole and vile and says he has ruined her life when she has ruined her own life by committing the assault."
She then had to be restrained in police custody after throwing furniture and told police she would kill herself. To me that threat seems like a punishment to him who she said was 'vile'- and a threat to the police to leave her alone rather than her hating herself. I'm not saying she didn't hate herself...but it does seem like a pattern of using suicide threats alongside violent behaviour. She is clearly blaming her boyfriend for her choices and actions which is manipulative.
Where would the prosecution get their info from on her being manipulative? Most likely the events of that night and police statements from Burton.
I think what she was really afraid of was the police footage. Not because it showed her with blood all over her as she said - but because it probably showed her true behaviour for which there would have been no excuse.
Abusive behaviour is all about control and people can't stand to let other people control the truth about them.
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Sorry if I’ve missed some of the thread but where has the stuff that she was using c come from? Is it just an assumption or well know or something?
Function, not form. Saying someone is manipulative doesn't really mean much, as you're describing behaviour, not motive. The term "it's behavioural" is often interchangeable with "they're being manipulative" in Mental Health to describe presentations that are difficult to manage, unpopular or time consuming. One of the problems with this is that there is a suggestion that that person deliberately and consciously behaves like they do.
The fact is, that they don't.
Her career gave her something that was incredibly important to her-so important that death was seemingly a better alternative to not having it.
That's why she tried to protect her career so aggressively. Doesn't make it right, but it does demonstrate that not everything is as it looks on the surface.
The fact is, that they don't.
Her career gave her something that was incredibly important to her-so important that death was seemingly a better alternative to not having it.
That's why she tried to protect her career so aggressively. Doesn't make it right, but it does demonstrate that not everything is as it looks on the surface.
This could be a neighbour listening next door, previous convictions of assaults on the same or another partner, the police’s account of what they saw when they arrived and – always so difficult to listen to in the cold silence of a courtroom – a haunting 999 call capturing both the terror of the complainant and the abuse being yelled at them by the defendant.
This is why the Crown Prosecution Service pursued Caroline Flack's case
What the criminal bar has taught me is that there is always another side to every story – no matter what side of the dock someone stands on.metro.co.uk
This is a really interesting article from an experienced criminal prosecutor re. Why CPS went ahead
This section is really sticking in my head.
She’s a disgrace.Stephanie Davis releasing a song and singling about "will you take the easy way out? Or fight through this doubt?" In aid of Caroline and donating to a charity that "PREVENT SUICIDE!!!" tops of how ridiculous this is getting.
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Buy her single, it'll make a change
This and this again. The mental capacity act is very strict - for good reason. There are also so many different sections, police have a sectioning act, psychiatric nurses have a sectioning act, etc - it’s to enable a professional to keep a patient in a safe space until a team can arrive to make a decision. Which has to made up of drs, an AMPH and other health professionals. Sometimes being on a psychiatric ward can do more harm than good. I don’t know what people think happens in there but if you are under section you just sit on a ward all day every day, with other very unwell people. You don’t get hour long counselling sessions like you see in movies. I mean, you are lucky to get all of your section 17 leave. I was allowed 3 x 30min sessions out of the hospital with a staff member a day. I was lucky if I even got out once a day due to staffing. It’s not a nice place to be. So it’s totally unethical and illegal to just chuck any old Tom fool and sally in there when it’s not 10000% needed.
Ultimately, I think Caroline Flack’s death and behaviour prior to it, really highlights how difficult it is to deal with severe mental health issues. Be them your own or someone else’s.
It’s all very sad, for her, her family, her current boyfriend and former one.
It’s all very sad, for her, her family, her current boyfriend and former one.
There’s a reason sectioning and psychiatric care in hospital is such a serious place. The police and nurses will try and ensure as many people can be cared for at home and in their communities because hospitals for such things are traumatic places. I don’t believe Caroline needed sectioning at all. By the accounts we have she wasn’t displaying the kind of behaviour that warrants sectioning, and she assured paramedics that she was fine. The state cannot be responsible for people’s decisions every minute of the day. There is an aspect of personal responsibility here which is being overlooked on the whole. This was a choice on her own part.
As has been mentioned before, she had money to go and seek help from the private healthcare sector, and chose not to do that. There is a limit to how anyone can be helped.
As has been mentioned before, she had money to go and seek help from the private healthcare sector, and chose not to do that. There is a limit to how anyone can be helped.
This is true, although very grim but hardly mentioned. She made the choice to not go on, very probably because it was likely to be the end of her career and she'd rather go before the trial took place.
The poster earlier saying about 1 in 10 BPD go on to take their own life, that along with a 1600% increased chance of suicide with hard drug and heavy alcohol users makes it very toxic.
This nails it, the description of how she was behaving by the police sounded terrible.
Where did the notion that people weren’t “being kind” to Caroline come from? I remember her posting on insta stories after the hearing that she had “never received such kindness in her life”... even from total strangers.
So why are people now saying she was being trolled?
She was rightly criticised for doing something horrible. What did people expect? A spate of love heart emojis under her posts after being charged with assault?
So why are people now saying she was being trolled?
She was rightly criticised for doing something horrible. What did people expect? A spate of love heart emojis under her posts after being charged with assault?
I do think that's interesting and I agree it may not be conscious on the persons part but....whatever the motivation 'manipulative' behaviour and suicide threats are a common feature of abusive relationships. The abused person is still greatly affected by it all at the end of the day.
I had met her a few times and she was a really down to earth lady shy and really low self esteem
I agree. I was married to a narcissist. They don’t tend to take their own lives because they believe they are perfect and the problems are with others. Their behaviour can lead to others taking their own lives though. My ex’s husband killed himself after sustained mental and emotional abuse. Sadly I only found out after we were married.
Presumably, it’s for this reason:Where did the notion that people weren’t “being kind” to Caroline come from? I remember her posting on insta stories after the hearing that she had “never received such kindness in her life”... even from total strangers.
So why are people now saying she was being trolled?
She was rightly criticised for doing something horrible. What did people expect? A spate of love heart emojis under her posts after being charged with assault?
‘A Guardian analysis shows the Sun published the most articles mentioning Flack in the six months before her death – with a total of 99.
The figure is around a quarter of the 387 stories published in print by all of the UK’s national newspapers in the same period.
A review of the stories shows that a quarter of all these articles took a negative tone, slightly higher than those with a positive tone, which accounted for 18% of the total.’
Narcissists don’t take their own lives they just ruin everybody else’s
She didn’t come across like that at all to me
What if they had dropped the case and a month or so later she caused his death? None of us know what happened that night but it was clearly a serious incident. Domestic violence is taken very seriously and rightly so as many people lose their lives because of it. The CPS do not play games and they do not prosecute for the fun of it. If you bother to look at the evidence that has been published it is clear that this was a serious incident. CF had an opportunity to tell her side of the story in court. If the CPS and police’s version of events was not correct, she had every chance of an acquittal but the CPS do not bring charges unless they feel they have a good chance of success.
I still don’t see the problem. She was charged with assault, of course they’re going to have a “negative tone”, and the details of what allegedly went down that night are disgraceful. The job of the press is to report the news. Caroline didn’t even stay off social media during this time and any time she posted, it was picked up by the papers. She should have just deleted all her apps and went on the down low until March.
We have kept hearing how much she loved Love Island, how much it meant to her blah blah blah. But it's a programme based on manipulating fake relationships for tabloid fodder. That doesn't smack of kindness to me. And frankly I think she loved it because she could keep hanging about with young pretty party people. Caroline was a very talented dancer and singer, I've no idea why she pursued trashy reality tv when she had so much more potential.
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