Does this mean the defendants or the cells in the court generally?
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there's plenty to suggest he would in the messages he sent, sadly.
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I literally just came here to ask this
this happened a lot during the trial, no idea what it means
Would they be in the cells or in the court room?
DH isn’t saying he’s hiding behind a diagnosis, she’s saying he’s lying. This is an important distinction. It’s not disputed by anyone including DH that he has autism (or selective mutism). Autistic people can lie. DH is suggesting he lied both before his diagnosis - to the police - and now. Let’s not use this to get in a dig about his diagnosis or how he’s taking advantage of it.
I agree with you there’s clearly only one verdict.
They are wiping the floor with them both. As they should.
And I'm so glad she's bringing up this phoney excessive autism thing too. I'm sure he is autistic, but i'm also certain he's playing on it too.
Can't say I'd ever considered that he was interested in Briannas genitalia, but that does make sense in many ways and perhaps it explains why he was so very covered in blood?
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Sorry but he's definitely playing on his diagnosis. It is lying, but it's also manipulation.
And I'm so glad she's bringing up this phoney excessive autism thing too. I'm sure he is autistic, but i'm also certain he's playing on it too.
Can't say I'd ever considered that he was interested in Briannas genitalia, but that does make sense in many ways and perhaps it explains why he was so very covered in blood?
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Sorry but he's definitely playing on his diagnosis. It is lying, but it's also manipulation.
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I just really don’t think this murder had anything to do with Brianna’s gender so I highly doubt it
Neither. Girl X is appearing via video link and Boy Y is in the dock.
It will be another defendant from another case which can be heard from the court room.
She’s not bringing up “this phoney excessive autism thing”, she’s pointing out inconsistencies. It doesn’t mean she thinks he’s playing on his autism, we don’t know.
I don’t know how you can be “certain” he’s playing on it. It’s entirely probable that having learnt in the last 9 months that he’s autistic, he genuinely has “learnt” that means he can’t always know what exactly he is feeling. Coming out with a response like that IS within the normal range of behaviour from someone with autism.
I think he’s a liar and guilty. But I find it uncomfortable to see any glee at thinking his autism is being undermined or proven phoney. It demonstrates that autism does get side-eyed a lot.
The first I heard of selective mutism was Katie Rough. It's usually an anxiety disorder in children. I think her killer also developed it after the murder so it's definitely a thing
I think they’re both guilty, I think they both stabbed B.
Girl X is a personality-disorder type liar, manipulator, enjoys causing suffering, would tell you the sky is green and the grass is blue. Boy Y is a different type of liar and manipulator, more sophisticated by using language and seemingly helpful but still a liar with a desire to kill and homophobi/transphobic. My opinion. Two different flavours of psycho.
Girl X is a personality-disorder type liar, manipulator, enjoys causing suffering, would tell you the sky is green and the grass is blue. Boy Y is a different type of liar and manipulator, more sophisticated by using language and seemingly helpful but still a liar with a desire to kill and homophobi/transphobic. My opinion. Two different flavours of psycho.
I’m sure this was mentioned in the last thread. Wasn’t it in a text exchange he said he wanted to do so?
yes, that's where the prosecution got this quote from. It was mentioned but not as a reason for him to bend down next to her dead body.
I agree. I don’t think any of this has a sexual nor hate crime motive. We can’t expect Y to have respect for any of those children on the list, he was planning on brutally killing them and dismembering their bodies. I wouldn’t expect him to use appropriate language towards their characteristics.
I didn’t read that DH or RP asked Boy Y if that’s why he bent down beside her. Maybe DH didn’t because without him having denied it, it’s easier for her to infer that’s the reason.
Y trained in kickboxing…
To add though, I unfortunately wouldn’t be surprised if Boy Y had looked under Brianna’s skirt, or at least genuinely intended to. Not out of sexual reasons, but macabre curiosity.
I work in forensic mental health. I’ve supported many patients with autism. There is this myth that people with autism and/or learning disabilities are exempt from bad behaviours. That they are happy, clappy, smiley humans that wouldn’t hurt a fly. This is not true. They are just a capable of lying, manipulating, harming and killing as somebody without autism. There is no hiding behind an autism diagnosis in a situation like this. He’s a murderer AND he has autism. He’s not killed Brianna because he’s autistic. Plus he is deemed full capacity, or he wouldn’t be tried in a court of law. He knows exactly what he’s doing. The judge has explained this. Selective mutism is common for people with autism after a traumatic event. Even though he is the perpetrator, it can still be considered a traumatic event.
If anyone has seen the kickboxing Facebook page that is quite clearly owned by Y’s family member, there are photos on there of a teenage boy who looks VERY similar to the school photo of Boy Y…….
I do think having this curiosity is some what normal. I remember being young and seeing a transvestite wondering if they had a Willy or not. Obviously looking up someone’s skirt is NOT normal before I get jumped on. But there’s no proof of that, just speculation.
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