They instruct solicitors and it’s the solicitors who will book them a barrister for trial
That’s how it is done in civil so could imagine the same for criminal law
They instruct solicitors and it’s the solicitors who will book them a barrister for trialHow do the lawyers work? So Richard Pratt is defending James Witham in this trial but prosecuting in another case, and Stan Reiz is defending in both cases? Does this mean these are lawyers provided to them and not ones they have chosen themselves? Also do the trials not overlap with eachother? I’m assuming that’s why court finished early today so they could attend sentencing of the other?
I’d say it’s completely different sentences when it involves guns and drugs. They want these twats off the street so they’ll give them long sentences.Thank you everyone for your words yesterdayIt’s so disappointing when you know these scumbags should never be able to walk the streets again and then they’re giving a ridiculous sentence that in my eyes isn’t seen as justice, his family are talking about appealing it so
Seeing how easy it is to give such a lesser sentence has me worried about all them slipping through the cracks because Witham’s taking the hit, Niall was probably buzzing when he heard his defence got someone who stabbed her boyfriend she groomed to death on a ring doorbell camera such a low sentence
Exactly, they seem to be hitting people like that harder now. Cashman and chapman both got lengthy sentences and they won't be out.I’d say it’s completely different sentences when it involves guns and drugs. They want these twats off the street so they’ll give them long sentences.
Plus Witham says he’ll never see his son now or words to that effect, so he’s obviously expecting a lengthy sentence like Cashman. And well deserved.Exactly, they seem to be hitting people like that harder now. Cashman and chapman both got lengthy sentences and they won't be out.
That's why Cashmans was in Manchester wasn't it, I assume. To get a fair trial/incase of jury intimidation. I'd wanna be sat there in a sombrero and a false mustache if I was on a big case. You don't know what bastard member of the family could be memorising your face. Liverpool thinks it's the centre of the world but it's actually only a small city and everyone seems to know everyone via someone.Imagine the horror and worry of being a jury member on a case like this. Realising the utter no-marks they associate with.
That’s why I'm surprised that this trial wasn’t held elsewhere. I’d be wearing a face mask and driving circuitous routes home every day.That's why Cashmans was in Manchester wasn't it, I assume. To get a fair trial/incase of jury intimidation. I'd wanna be sat there in a sombrero and a false mustache if I was on a big case. You don't know what bastard member of the family could be memorising your face. Liverpool thinks it's the centre of the world but it's actually only a small city and everyone seems to know everyone via someone.
Same! Don't they house the jury in hotels anymore? I used to work in a large hotel and we had juries staying at times, they all had to be put along the same corridor and eat together in a separate function room.That’s why I'm surprised that this trial wasn’t held elsewhere. I’d be wearing a face mask and driving circuitous routes home every day.
oh I’ve no idea. Never been called for it, thank Christ. I’d still be crapping myself staying in a hotel. In case Big Dave and Little Dave arrived for a sauna and swim.Same! Don't they house the jury in hotels anymore? I used to work in a large hotel and we had juries staying at times, they all had to be put along the same corridor and eat together in a separate function room.
After they’d been on a magical mystery tour of courseoh I’ve no idea. Never been called for it, thank Christ. I’d still be crapping myself staying in a hotel. In case Big Dave and Little Dave arrived for a sauna and swim.
so true! People I know from Liverpool always know people from the opposite end of the city and they’re always involved in this kinda thing or they know the girlfriend’s or ex’s. Some of these girls are proper insta famous too and have threads about them on hereThat's why Cashmans was in Manchester wasn't it, I assume. To get a fair trial/incase of jury intimidation. I'd wanna be sat there in a sombrero and a false mustache if I was on a big case. You don't know what bastard member of the family could be memorising your face. Liverpool thinks it's the centre of the world but it's actually only a small city and everyone seems to know everyone via someone.
Oh yeah Witham did didn’t he, another bit I’ve missed. I also agree with the “yes sir, no sir” patronising little twerp, like when scruffs say “yes miss” when they’ve been inside, just makes me know they’re a wrongenMy thoughts so far:
witham: fucked
Peers: fucked
Barry: fucked
Zest: fucked
Ian: fucked
radford: not sure - actually kinda feel sorry for him as I genuinely believe he didn’t know the extent of what the car was involved in.
Don’t agree with Ian coming across as all sweet an innocent. The red flag was raised as soon as he mentioned he had a call with his dad who was also in nick. The whole ‘yes sir, no sir, three bags full’ sir won’t wash with jury.
Also think he if he was to get off he would be safer inside. His family are not as feared as you think. Drove past some lovely art work in dovecot earlier ‘Ian f is a grass and his sister takes it up the ass’
his days are numbered regardless
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Also one thing I can’t get my head around. A few of the lads said Witham came back and owned up to what he had done as soon as he did it.. yet when he was on the dock there was no mention of that and he said he kept it all inside for weeks.
Felt like that could’ve been discussed more. Saying that the updates on the echo must of not be a snippet of what actually gets said.
If Ian gets NG he won’t stick round here, he’ll be living it up in Dubai probably with Lee tooMy personal view if I was on the jury is that I haven't heard enough to convict IF even though I think he's guilty. The rest I'd send down, even the car stashing halfwit. If IF getting called a grass he'll have a more miserable life out than in anyway.
The gang culture is 1 of many reasons I'm planning on getting out this city next year. Its a small city full of small minds, it's scruffy, dirty, there's no scene for anything and I can't stand the insular identikit inward looking mentality. Ppl who think its amazing generally haven't been anywhere else. I love it's history and it's humour but I don't love what it's become. No one needs to pull out a pulpit on me about managed decline or the thatcher years please. I'm well into my 40s and never lived anywhere else so far; I know why it's got it's problems. Am just not interested in living with the fall out of it anymore.
I absolutely agree with you on all of this. The city is the pits whats happened to the salt of the earth people. Im scared to say hello to anyone now incase they pull a gun or knife on you.My personal view if I was on the jury is that I haven't heard enough to convict IF even though I think he's guilty. The rest I'd send down, even the car stashing halfwit. If IF getting called a grass he'll have a more miserable life out than in anyway.
The gang culture is 1 of many reasons I'm planning on getting out this city next year. Its a small city full of small minds, it's scruffy, dirty, there's no scene for anything and I can't stand the insular identikit inward looking mentality. Ppl who think its amazing generally haven't been anywhere else. I love it's history and it's humour but I don't love what it's become. No one needs to pull out a pulpit on me about managed decline or the thatcher years please. I'm well into my 40s and never lived anywhere else so far; I know why it's got it's problems. Am just not interested in living with the fall out of it anymore.
With IF I would consider that he knew Witham had murdered Ashley but instead of growing some balls and being a grass he ran off to Dubai instead. Also, he did keep ringing them with the excuse he wanted to know if they were coming back to watch the boxing which is a poor excuse.My personal view if I was on the jury is that I haven't heard enough to convict IF even though I think he's guilty. The rest I'd send down, even the car stashing halfwit. If IF getting called a grass he'll have a more miserable life out than in anyway.
The gang culture is 1 of many reasons I'm planning on getting out this city next year. Its a small city full of small minds, it's scruffy, dirty, there's no scene for anything and I can't stand the insular identikit inward looking mentality. Ppl who think its amazing generally haven't been anywhere else. I love it's history and it's humour but I don't love what it's become. No one needs to pull out a pulpit on me about managed decline or the thatcher years please. I'm well into my 40s and never lived anywhere else so far; I know why it's got it's problems. Am just not interested in living with the fall out of it anymore.
I know drugs and gangs are everywhere but the we're dead sound, scouse not English crew is a uniquely Liverpool thing and makes me cringe my sphincter inside out. Er no, we're the same as the working class everywhere. Scouse exceptionalism is a cheesy myth designed to make us accept any old shite like the culture of thuggery and our corrupt council. Also the myth of how the city is so anti-racist and so multi cultural. Where? Tiny pockets of the south end. These halo polishers need to come and tell Jameel in my local shop how anti-racist the city is when his wife can't work of an evening cos of the abuse and intimidation.With IF I would consider that he knew Witham had murdered Ashley but instead of growing some balls and being a grass he ran off to Dubai instead. Also, he did keep ringing them with the excuse he wanted to know if they were coming back to watch the boxing which is a poor excuse.
As for Liverpool. I find that every City is the same but I’m also from a small town that many would consider picturesque and want to live there for a quiet life but it was actually rife with drug dealers! They’re bloody everywhere!
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