Anti Conspiracy Theories #6 wakey, wakey!

[OwlAtTheMoon]

Finally some unequivocal research - a meta-analysis of 12 studies from 12 countries including more than 13,000 unvaccinated pregnant women, showing that covid19 infection is dangerous in pregnancy to both mother and foetus/newborn:

Covid increases risk of grave illness and death in pregnant women – study

Research also finds unvaccinated Covid-infected women more likely to give birth prematurely

www.theguardian.com

The full BMJ Global Health report, for those who fancy the longer read:

Adverse maternal, fetal, and newborn outcomes among pregnant women with SARS-CoV-2 infection: an individual participant data meta-analysis | BMJ Global Health

 

[struggs123]

Finally some unequivocal research - a meta-analysis of 12 studies from 12 countries including more than 13,000 unvaccinated pregnant women, showing that covid19 infection is dangerous in pregnancy to both mother and foetus/newborn:

Covid increases risk of grave illness and death in pregnant women – study

Research also finds unvaccinated Covid-infected women more likely to give birth prematurely

www.theguardian.com

The full BMJ Global Health report, for those who fancy the longer read:

Adverse maternal, fetal, and newborn outcomes among pregnant women with SARS-CoV-2 infection: an individual participant data meta-analysis | BMJ Global Health

There's been quite a bit of research released recently, most notably that although the vaccines can cause heart issues, covid itself does so at a rate that is 7 x higher. I suppose many would rather take their chances even though the risk is substantially higher because then they can blame chance or whatever rather than a choice they've made. Same goes for selfish parents who choose not to vaccinate their children for their childhood imms, I'm sure they'd accept the medicine needed to treat these horrific illnesses though that luckily in this country due to vaccines we have been largely shielded from but are making a comeback.

Seeing pregnant women in ITU with covid was one of the most horrific things of the pandemic tbh. Vaccinations did reduce the numbers admitted, anecdotally and wider data confirms this and yet there's no research that supports the theory that vaccines caused anything in pregnancy other than trust me bro.

 

[YellowLadybird]

I'm afraid I also touched a nerve the other day, simply stating that my GP experiences were mostly positive and that they don't all push medication as the first recourse. My comment was in direct response to a poster stating that GPs were just pharmaceutical reps these days. I acknowledged that it can unfortunately come down to luck/postcode lottery in some cases, and people have had crappy experiences with their doctors, which is awful, but that I still felt the majority of doctors are bona fide and more than competent.

The real problem is the variability... I have a medical condition meaning I need B12 Injections as I can't absorb it through my gut, but my old surgery refused to prescribe it (even though it's standard protocol, and I could show them the local guidelines) and were so awful I ended up paying privately. Changed GPs after moving in with my boyfriend, and not only have it on repeat now without a problem, but they've even helped by giving me special iron tablets that are easier to absorb and will further help prevent anaemia.

I'm a nurse, he's a medic, so we are better informed than the average patient but even that isn't enough to get round all the barriers you can encounter in our system.

 

[OwlAtTheMoon]

All those "must be the vaccine"posts flying around twitter and elsewhere for months now after reports of deaths.... No question it's intrusive and disrespectful to families of the deceased - deaths are horrific enough to cope with - but it also incites and influences those prone to believing mass die-off/population cull CT scare tactics relating to these vaccines. Ironically it takes focus away from those actually suffering from or who have died because of genuine, rare vaccine injuries.
Plus hardly ever do people revisit their post to update once the deceased person's actual cause of death is establised. Which is usually nothing to do with covid vaccines...

 

[Moth]

... Plus hardly ever do people revisit their post to update once the deceased person's actual cause of death is establised. Which is usually nothing to do with covid vaccines...

If they do revisit it's only to say that the official reason is a lie. I was going to say unless it's some kind of violent death like a plane crash but then I remembered that they questioned whether the pilots in the recent crash in Nepal had been vaccinated.

 

[CoffeeMamma]

why are so many people freaking out about children having debit cards and saying we need to keep cash? They keep saying it’s part of some “agenda” for a cashless society but I genuinely don’t understand the issue… can anyone explain that one?

 

[struggs123]

If they do revisit it's only to say that the official reason is a lie. I was going to say unless it's some kind of violent death like a plane crash but then I remembered that they questioned whether the pilots in the recent crash in Nepal had been vaccinated.

This is the part I find absolutely abhorrent, the media have suddenly started saying 'died suddenly' as well in the headlines even when the article goes on to explain it was suicide or something else. Pretty sure they never used to say this, they know what they're doing just not sure why, sure for deaths that actually are suddenly with no apparent cause, but this isn't the case in most they report. A local paper reported the death of someone who was 101, even that had comments around it having to be the vaccine ffs.

Some 'fear' a cashless society as they feel that its just another way for the big scary puppet masters to track people's spending and whereabouts (why anyone would be arsed is another matter), and that it can be taken away/altered more easily than cash so are worried it'll lead to government controlling people's finances or dictating how much can be spent and where etc.

 

[Doctor_Wibble]

I was intrigued by remarks about the FAA changing their criteria as regards trainee pilots' EKGs and how that affects their applications.

Spoiler: Wave the banner, put off a new audience, convert nobody

However... since the US currently has a big pilot shortage which they are expecting that to get worse, I suspect the main reason is to not exclude quite so many, thereby boosting numbers.

That said, it is likely to lead to a higher percentage of pilots having heart problems, and therefore potentially higher risk to passengers.
But instead of highlighting this entirely directly mathematically provable issue, the article headlines with 'EKGs of pilots are no longer normal'... 'looks like vax gave 50m americans heart damage'.

So people think 'ffs antivaxx' and miss the real question ('how significant is this') which would be part of a genuine debate on choice and risk and what is acceptable to society as a whole.

A link presented as a slam-dunk goes to an article heavy on the impressive sounding overegged technicals whose primary evidence includes a linked article wirh a very distinct 'temporary' (but definitively not nonexistent) in its main title about myocarditis but only if you bother to translate it from the german.

TLDR like so many writers 'challenging the mainstream' discussion of an important issue gets killed before it even starts. Somewhat appropriately, by shoving a conclusion in people's faces before they have a chance to read what's said.

 

[struggs123]

I was intrigued by remarks about the FAA changing their criteria as regards trainee pilots' EKGs and how that affects their applications.

Spoiler: Wave the banner, put off a new audience, convert nobody

However... since the US currently has a big pilot shortage which they are expecting that to get worse, I suspect the main reason is to not exclude quite so many, thereby boosting numbers.

That said, it is likely to lead to a higher percentage of pilots having heart problems, and therefore potentially higher risk to passengers.
But instead of highlighting this entirely directly mathematically provable issue, the article headlines with 'EKGs of pilots are no longer normal'... 'looks like vax gave 50m americans heart damage'.

So people think 'ffs antivaxx' and miss the real question ('how significant is this') which would be part of a genuine debate on choice and risk and what is acceptable to society as a whole.

A link presented as a slam-dunk goes to an article heavy on the impressive sounding overegged technicals whose primary evidence includes a linked article wirh a very distinct 'temporary' (but definitively not nonexistent) in its main title about myocarditis but only if you bother to translate it from the german.

TLDR like so many writers 'challenging the mainstream' discussion of an important issue gets killed before it even starts. Somewhat appropriately, by shoving a conclusion in people's faces before they have a chance to read what's said.

Yeah I agree.

A new one is that the government have announced that defibs will be installed in all schools. This is actually something that some people have been campaigning for many years for, they have achieved something phenomenal which will save lives and yet of course omg because of the vax look what they're doing!!1!

 

[Ensay]

why are so many people freaking out about children having debit cards and saying we need to keep cash? They keep saying it’s part of some “agenda” for a cashless society but I genuinely don’t understand the issue… can anyone explain that one?

No idea to be honest. I think it comes from the fact that if you keep your cash in a biscuit tin under your bed, then the evil WEF and banks can't withhold it from you. Not to mention how unsafe that is from theft and house fires.

Most people who don't like spending with their cards will still use them to withdraw cash from an ATM so it's the same thing really.

 

[YellowLadybird]

Yeah I agree.

A new one is that the government have announced that defibs will be installed in all schools. This is actually something that some people have been campaigning for many years for, they have achieved something phenomenal which will save lives and yet of course omg because of the vax look what they're doing!!1!

Without being a cardiologist and knowing the details, it depends what the new benchmark for 'normal' is. I know from nursing that plenty of kids had slightly 'abnormal' ECGs, which when looked at by a specialist were deemed to be completely fine and their assessment showed no actual risk of serious heart problems.

It's like, I'm short sighted but could, if I had no alternative, manage the majority of tasks without my glasses. My mother is so blind she'd walk off a cliff. So whilst we still have the same restriction clause on our driving license (the standard one about wearing corrective lenses) it doesn't actually reflect a comparable level of impairment.

 

[struggs123]

Without being a cardiologist and knowing the details, it depends what the new benchmark for 'normal' is. I know from nursing that plenty of kids had slightly 'abnormal' ECGs, which when looked at by a specialist were deemed to be completely fine and their assessment showed no actual risk of serious heart problems.

It's like, I'm short sighted but could, if I had no alternative, manage the majority of tasks without my glasses. My mother is so blind she'd walk off a cliff. So whilst we still have the same restriction clause on our driving license (the standard one about wearing corrective lenses) it doesn't actually reflect a comparable level of impairment.

Sorry I don't really understand what this means in regards to the post?

 

[Doctor_Wibble]

Sorry I don't really understand what this means in regards to the post?

I think the point is about categorisation and thresholds - a grouping like 'has a heart problem' could mean anything from something only visible using the machine that goes ping, all the way up to needing some sort of device to make it through the day.

 

[Deeznutslol]

There’s a tiktok account which keeps popping up on my fyp documenting the progress of a 64 year old woman who is suffering with brain damage, the account is run by her daughter who claims that the injury was caused by the astrazenaca vaccine. Now this lady has had either a brain aneurysm or a stroke (not sure which, her daughter claims that a ‘blood clot in her brain burst’… which makes no sense but whatever, she’s had some sort of brain injury regardless). However, she also is very open about the fact that her mother has had drink and drug issues for most of her adult life, she also still smokes (huge risk factor for both aneurysms and strokes) and tbh she generally looks to be in pretty poor health.
What I would love to know, is how the hell her daughter has decided that this stroke/aneurysm was 100% caused by the vaccine and not by any of the aforementioned risk factors? To me it seems like an utterly insane conclusion to draw given what we know about the devastating impacts that chronic alcohol use, drug addiction and smoking have on the body.

 

[Kim Mild]

I think the point is about categorisation and thresholds - a grouping like 'has a heart problem' could mean anything from something only visible using the machine that goes ping, all the way up to needing some sort of device to make it through the day.

Lots of people seem to only find out they have something wrong with their heart when they go for treatment for something else. It happened to my mum .
People can have things going on with their heart that is not noticeable in their day to day life but is spotted when they are hooked up to monitors.

 

[OwlAtTheMoon]

Covid vaccine deaths scaremonger alert! Someone on the 'died suddenly' hashtag on twitter says he knows definitively (without citing how)) when those vaccinated will die...
He says if you got just 1 vaccine you have 3-5 years to live; if you had a 2nd vaccine you have 2-4 years tops, however if you had 3+ vaccines then it's curtains and your death is imminent. Incredulous at this bullshit continually spawned on sm, where many susceptible people will read it and believe.
Anyway, if true, guess it means sayonara any time now me old muckers...

 

[Ensay]

I don't know how they aren't bored shitless of vaccine talk yet. Surely it's not long till they invent some new CT to get excited about.

 

[mcfeez]

I had an elderly family member pass away last week - close to age 90 and diagnosed with heart conditions years ago and heart failure in the last 4/5 years. She had covid last Autumn and at the time everyone was so grateful she'd just recently had her 4th covid jab as she didn't end up hospitalised and just got mostly minor symptoms.

These same people are all hypothesizing this week that we "just dont know what is in those covid jabs" .... I am speechless. She was literally living with heart failure.

 

[CoffeeMamma]

Covid vaccine deaths scaremonger alert! Someone on the 'died suddenly' hashtag on twitter says he knows definitively (without citing how)) when those vaccinated will die...
He says if you got just 1 vaccine you have 3-5 years to live; if you had a 2nd vaccine you have 2-4 years tops, however if you had 3+ vaccines then it's curtains and your death is imminent. Incredulous at this bullshit continually spawned on sm, where many susceptible people will read it and believe.
Anyway, if true, guess it means sayonara any time now me old muckers...

@MaineCoonMama where’s your cats

 

[caroleffinbaskin]

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