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Gertrude

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I do it at work a lot. Click reply when an email annoys me. Always delete the recipient. Type what I want to say. Save it in drafts, read through the next day and delete 😂

It's very cathartic thrashing out an email saying exactly what you want. Just don't send 🤦‍♀️
Ahaha, good idea! My usual thing is to just silently seethe over things, which isn’t good for my mental well-being.

Just imagine clicking send😖
 
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GeorgeP123

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I think he is playing you.

Block and move on x
Exactly this. I've this so many times it's untrue. Then I always find I'm making excuses for them. He basically only wanted sex and now he cba. Block and move on.

Agree.

It’s all just verging on being a bit weird.

Why the need to “bubble” together? You’ve known the guy for a few weeks!! He’s a relative stranger!!!!!

All the chat about keeping the stuff in a box..... sorry but that’s kinda..... creepy. What 25 year old guy does that?!

all sorts of alarm bells are ringing here. He sounds like a wrong’un
I think he just pretended he did the box thing because he thinks that is what girls love and he thought that would be a way to get you into bed. Some boys have no morals because they only want sex.

Girl chat needed!! Sorry this is so long haha. I’ve given in-depth detail, it looks obsessive but I’ve just done it to give you a clear picture because my mind is just all over the place.

I’ve just started seeing this guy. We met on a dating app. Both 25. He’s not your stereotypical fk boy or anything. He’s not a pretty boy either. He’s intelligent, has a very good job (works in medicine discovery), close family, he’s a bit nerdy but I like that etc.

Things had been going really well. We’ve been dating for just over 2 months (he lives alone so we bubbled - our first few dates were walks with my dog in the park. Also I’m in Scotland so we aren’t in a major lockdown... yet) which doesn’t seem long but we’ve already spent a lot of time together. We feel very close already, we’ve both told our families about each other but haven’t met yet (obviously). When we spend time together he always asks me to stay over etc which is nice to feel like he wants me around (previously I’ve always felt guys can’t wait for you to leave lol). He treats me like a princess and I’ve never had someone treat me so well before. He compliments me, is very affectionate etc. Probably even more than me! Which I am not used to, I always feel like I’m the one giving more if that makes sense. So this has been such a wonderful experience to feel so wanted. He’s said multiple times about how he can’t wait for future things with me like going on holiday etc. When I have to leave his he usually asks me to stay ‘just a bit longer’ and then he’ll make jokes about me ‘just moving in’. I know it’s way too soon for that but it’s nice to know that the idea may be there for the future. Like I said, it’s just nice to feel like he really wants me around. He also said for me to just leave things at his place to save me bringing them every time, so I did (the stuff is still there, nothing major). He surprised me with lovely bath bombs from lush, he said he got them because we were talking about how much I love baths. The first few times I stayed over at his I woke up with a really sore back because the pillows were too flat so when we were at IKEA he said that he wanted me to pick a new pillow one for his house. He also had a small box on a shelf in his place, he moved it and was kinda giggly and said I couldn’t see in it. We were just joking around so I was begging him to show me. It was a box of things from our dates and time together, receipts, tickets, just random stuff. I thought this was so sweet. He said he was keeping it all because maybe he would make me something for Christmas. The weekend before last, he said he was falling for me, I said the same. I’ve never had someone say this to me OR said it to someone else.

For the most part when we are not together we text sporadically throughout the day, not constantly just a few times then we usually chat more in the evenings (after work) about our day etc. This is how it’s been the whole time.

So basically it was all going so well and I was feeling so optimistic.

Rewind to: the beginning of last week -
We weren’t due to see each other until possibly Thursday/Friday so we were face timing in the evenings. This was all fine, we’d chat for a few hours in the evening then go to bed.

Tuesday (last week) -
We had a sort of weird conversation via FaceTime. He was saying that earlier that day he was ‘stressing’ a little about doing things that I wouldn’t like, then keeping them from me, as that would make him feel really bad. I was so confused about what on earth he meant! He said he wished he met me first, before he dated anyone else (this was the first time I’d heard of him dating anyone else). I asked him why he felt this way, was is because he had to now tell them that he was not interested? (which I know can be a difficult thing to do). He said he had already stopped seeing them. BUT he went on to say that it made him feel bad, like he was lying to me and that he doesn’t want to stress about those things. I told him I understood and what mattered most to me was how we proceeded from that point, not what happened in the early days. He then went on to say that IF he ever HAPPENED to go on a dating app when we were together, that is wouldn’t mean anything and sometimes he just gets bored. I don’t agree with this but it’s hard to explain over FaceTime. The point of a dating app is to swipe on who you are attracted to in the hopes that a conversation begins and that leads somewhere, so I don’t agree with doing it when in a relationship. There must be some motive there. Basically I was very confused. I think he wasn’t explaining himself properly. He gets very flustered and muddled up and I try to calm him and tell him to just be straight but he still gets worked up. He told me he’s suffered with anxiety for most of his life and that he’s still takes medication to help. I get that, I have anxiety as well but maybe is different ways to him. I think perhaps he meant that he had been on those apps when we were dating and now feels really bad because his anxiety was making him worry. So he then ended the conversation saying ‘I’ve already told you I’m falling for you and I am. I really want us to be exclusive but want to ask the right way (ie not over FT) but I just want you’. So from that conversation I was very confused but then kind of reassured but still confused... 🥴

Wednesday (last week) -
He told me that he was very busy with a report for work that was due at the beginning of this week. He had already mentioned this to me earlier that week so I was aware that he had been working on it. He said that as it was his first report, he was really struggling and that it was taking much longer that he anticipated. This meant that he was going to spend the whole weekend doing the report and therefore couldn’t see me Thursday/Friday. He was very apologetic and said that if he was finished by Sunday, we could spend the day together. If not, he said he’d be able to see me the beginning of this week. I was understanding and told him not to worry about it, work is obviously very important.

Thursday onwards -
He started texting me way less. I always try to not read too much into these things because, it’s only texting!! But if you remember how I said we’d text somewhat regularly and now that suddenly stopped you can just feel that something is off (I’m sure you all know what I mean). I told myself that he was busy, I gave him space to work and I didn’t pester him. Texting went like this:
- He text me Thursday night, I replied later that evening
- He didn’t reply till Friday night, I replied later
- He didn’t reply till Saturday night, I replied later
- He didn’t reply till Sunday night, I replied later

Our conversations were varied and felt normal (even though they were once a day). He told me about his report and how long it was taking, he’d wish me a good sleep or that I had a good day, at one point he said he wished I was there to snuggle him. So the things he was texting me were normal. On Saturday I said I was sorry he had had such a crappy week and weekend. He came back (on Sunday) saying ‘No I’m sorry, for being so shit, I’ve just got so much work still to do’. So I thought, ‘okay he’s really busy’. I didn’t push him to make arrangements with me for the week because I was trying to just give him space and time to do his work. I replied to his message on Sunday night.

We haven’t spoken since. I know it’s only three days but radio silence all of a sudden is just strange! His last seen on WhatsApp was Sunday at 6:00pm ish (until last night). So he didn’t even come online for days, which again is very strange. I know he communicates with other people via WhatsApp so that’s very strange and just made me feel like maybe he was avoiding me?

He came online last night at around 6ish but he hasn’t even read my message let alone reply. My head starts to go a bit crazy when things like this happen because I start worrying that something is really wrong. When he hadn’t been online in 2 days I genuinely thought ‘well something really bad could have happened to him and I’d have no way of knowing!’

I always feel like a ‘crazy woman’ when I start looking at ‘last seen’ etc and I feel like guys make us out to be crazy for looking at those things but that’s because they suddenly start acting SO WEIRD. It’s not crazy. I find it weirder that he suddenly wasn’t ever online. That’s crazy. Or the fact that when he finally did come on, he didn’t read my message and reply when we were pretty much in a relationship. It’s so out of character. So like I said, I started to worry that something was maybe wrong so I sent a simple ‘I hope you are okay?’ I sent this last night at around 8pm but he’s still not been back online...

I’m just so confused. He’s fallen off the face of the earth. Part of me is thinking ‘is he ghosting me???’ But literally the last time we actually spoke (and not via text) he was saying he was falling for me, wanted to be exclusive etc so what the hell?!?

I don’t really have a question, I just wanted to vent. I feel a fool. I told my family about him, something he encouraged me to do! (and I’ve never told my family about a guy before!!!!). So now they keep asking about him and I just mumble something because I’m embarrassed, I don’t know what to say. I also told my friends just last week!! So if I come back not even a week later saying this I’ll just look so stupid.

Part of me thinks he wouldn’t be ghosting me because why would he have said all that stuff, that he was falling for me, encouraging me to tell my family, having keepsakes from out dates, asking me to keep things at his etc. WHY would he do all that if his intentions weren’t serious. I know sometimes guys just say things but that’s all taking it a bit too far. He has my stuff at his house! Surely that would just make things really complicated so why ask me to leave things if he was going to ghost me?

What are your thoughts?

For a second I thought, maybe he had the virus and feels bad and doesn’t know how to tell me? I hadn’t seen him in person since the 31st so perhaps he caught it after or... I honestly don’t know. I’m not sure why he wouldn’t tell me though, we could wait a few weeks it wouldn’t be a big deal. As you can see, my mind is just wandering to every possibility. I’m so confused.
Totally know how you feel....you aren't crazy. it's weird when people who use WhatsApp regularly just then don't and to not even read your message is just PLAIN RUDE.
 
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Chablis1

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If you want to feel even more depressed about these fuck boy men, they don’t grow out of it. My mum is 62 and is going through this exact same thing right now. The bloke is 65 for fuck sake.
Blimey. Your poor mum. What is wrong with some of these men?
 
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Ef27

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I’m actually not surprised 😱 honestly though I hate accepting drinks off guys because when I’m not interested in them and walk off I feel like a bitch! You almost do feel like you owe them something. Most of the time I just buy them a shot 😅🤣
 
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Yoghurtpots

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Yesss Sweetcorn 🌽 what a time waster he was. Its just so annoying. Definitely don't give up on men, there are some good ones out there❤ at least you know, you did nothing wrong and your conscience is clear. He seems a serious nut case with serious problems to get kicks out of doing that. Its cruel. You sound lovely and karma comes round eventually, both for the good and the bad.

I suppose it depends how hot headed you are? For me it works because I lose it in the moment and make the situation worse by saying things I don’t really mean. My crazy notes give me time to calm down and reflect on whether I should really be threatening to cut his balls off.
Arr I see! Sounds like a really good idea! To cut the unnecessary stuff out and stick to the facts in a calm and rational way. This will probably benefit me going forwards! Never heard of it before. Thanks guys!
 
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Say What

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Hey guys! Thanks for all your replies 😘

I’m going over a few options in my head.

1. Part of me wants to message and ask him straight. He’s avoiding the conversation, because it’s uncomfortable, so I want to put him in that uncomfortable place to actually SAY what he has to say because sometimes being an adult means owning what you are feeling/saying. He’s put me in an uncomfortable place so 🤷🏼‍♀️. I feel like if I don’t acknowledge what he’s doing then he’s getting away with it which I don’t like, someone has to hold these boys accountable!

2. The other part of me wants to send him a sassy message (without even letting him explain) about how treating girls this way will never work, most girls won’t stand for it and just generally give him a reality check about what he’s doing. Just so maybe he can think ‘shit, I messed with the wrong girl’ sort of thing. I feel like this will sent a boundary for not only me but girls in his future and hopefully... he’ll learn something??? (why we have to teach grown men how to treat a girl is BEYOND me). I’ve thought about what I’d say but I’m really not sure so that’s holding me back from doing that at the minute

3. Or I could just leave it completely. If he wants to explain he can come and explain, I’ve already given him opportunity to do this when I reached out on Tuesday. If he did explain I’d probably just read it and be done with it, play him at his own game so to speak (but then I’m I just stooping to his level? Haha). I feel like if I messaged him again it’s just clear that I’m giving him more of my time and possibly sitting around waiting for him, I don’t want him to think he has that power over me. I feel like giving him anymore of my time is just time wasted. If he can continue to go on his WhatsApp, see my messages, ignore them and continue on with his life, then that’s on his conscience. No doubt he’ll actually feel bad about it and be thinking it over himself. But... my conscience is clear 😊
I’d roll with option 3 and set the boundary as someone has wrote above.
 
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Melier

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Sorry if you answered this already, but did you say if you need to get your things back from him?
If not, I agree with all the other posts, he isn’t treating you right and even if he apologies this isn’t how you deserve to be treated
 
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Sweetcorn

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Probably the opposite of everyone on here but he genuinely might be busy?

When I first met my partner I had the busiest month at work I had ever (if you are in the motor trade you’ll know all about March& September being hellish). I barely spoke to him for a month because genuinely I was getting up, going to work, not even having a lunch break, powering through all day without checking my phone, staying on until 8 most evenings, coming home, wolfing down a ready meal, having a shower and going to bed. I was mentally and physically drained and just didn’t have the capacity to have any sort of conversation with anyone. We had a conversation about it and I tried to make some more time for him but it was hard. 5 years later, things are the same every March & September but he understands. Now we live together it’s easier but I still barely speak to home when I get him & just go straight to bed 😂

Maybe I’m too nice but I would just straight up ask and if he says he’s just been too busy, take it at face value but remain cautious x
I’ve thought this, or like someone said, maybe his anxiety is getting the better of him. So if that’s the case and I go in all guns blazing and he comes back saying that all feel terrible 😅. Hard to know though.

I’m happy it worked out for you two 💞 x
 
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JD-Morgan

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Hey tattlers, thanks again for all your well wishes!

I decided to go with number three so I haven’t contacted him and removed him. Thought the best way was to just play cool and look completely unbothered so that’s what I’ve done. I’m okay, I’m not going to cry over him, it’s so not worth it. More than anything it just makes you feel so embarrassed because like I’ve already said, now I need to explain to my family and friends, when I just told them about him 🤦🏼‍♀️

At this point I’m just frustrated in general with men and dating. I hate to generalise but from this thread it appears so many men act this way (or worse) and I’m just left wondering how many more times will I be screwed over? Part of me wants to give up with dating apps but then I’d have no way of meeting guys, even more so now with covid, but even if covid wasn’t a factor it would still be hard for me to meet guys (I also work in a very female dominated environment). I’m kinda losing hope that guys won’t always be assholes.

As well guys are just so hard to read and they change their minds in the blink of an eye. Like in this instance, I think he just got spooked by how intense things were getting and maybe thought he wanted something more casual instead, which is mega frustrating because HE was the one to make it so intense. I imagine this happens with many guys, they are all in then suddenly get cold feet but.. why? Don’t go in so intense if it’s going to freak you out! Haha it’s really not that hard.

Should we as women be more assertive about what we expect? But then I feel like most guys would think you were a bit ‘crazy’ (yep their favourite word) and back off straight away. But then you think we’ll that guy really wasn’t worth the time then but ughhh they are just impossible 😂

But yeah maybe we should get a dating advice thread? Where we can share stories and advice (If there isn’t already one?) because it appears so many of us go through this stuff and I really enjoyed this girl chat with you all 💘
Glad you’re ok 💕

Noticed from your first post that you were from Scotland, me too! Maybe I know the guy 😂😂
 
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Sweetcorn

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I’ve noticed a lot of different advice here, I was single and dating people from apps for a few years I feel like I’ve had every encounter possible. My advice to you is don’t be scared to do something in fear of being labeled ‘crazy’ or a ‘psycho’ I feel men use that as weapon for us to back off.
He sounds like a genuine person from how you said things were going before so maybe this report has had an effect on his Mental Health if he started telling you about being on medication. It also sounds as if something from his past may have popped up, maybe an ex texting or something.
You have nothing to lose in this situation so if I were you I’d just text him or phone him and ask him straight out what’s happening. You’ve been staying over and I assume sleeping with him so he should have enough respect to be truthful about the situation. If he freaks out and calls you crazy then I think that’s an excuse and he has been trying to ghost you so it’s his loss anyway better finding out now than further down the line. If it is totally innocent and he is the person you thought he was he’ll be fine with you asking a simple question and probably even feel bad for upsetting you and giving you doubts about the relationship.
Yeah they absolutely do use it as a weapon. I mean he never has or anything but I’ve seen it happen so many times.

Yeah I think if anything, he’s maybe been overthinking it all a bit too much and scared himself. Which is annoying because he was the one being more full on that me? 😅. But I do know he genuinely had the report to do, he mentioned it a few weeks ago, and that it was a big stress for him.

Thanks for the thoughtful response ☺ X
 
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Caramel Latte

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What if they guy was already on my fb and insta before everything happened? I deleted his number/whatsapp but I felt like if i block him on the other sm I'd look like i was angry/hurt by him enough to care to block him.

Also that was 1 month ago so kinda too late now😂
I'm sure I'm gonna see him again sooner or later as we live close and go to same places more or less. So i planned to just plainly passively ignore him. Is that enough?
 
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Sweetcorn

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My friend who is on the dating scene is 45 and she’s had a few experiences like this, one turned out to have met someone else, one never contacted her again and one got quite arsey when she questioned whether he really was busy (he said he’d started a new job) and dumped her for being ‘too much’! I think SM/technology is a nightmare for things like this as it enables us to see if they’ve read our messages, been online etc. In the old days if he didn’t ring for a few days it was no big deal! Can I ask the OP when the last time he actually made contact was? Xx
Yeah you are right! SM really has us doubting and over analysing. But I also hate when a guy had OBVIOUSLY started acting different but if you point out the sudden lack of communication (when there had been a good amount), they just gas light you and tell you you are obsessive etc. This isn’t necessarily the case here I’m just speaking generally. Guy really do just get all weird sometimes but if you ask them they deny it, gas light you, then break up with you 😂. Like.. we’re not stupid. I’ve seen it happen with so many people (I’m sure girls have done it too, don’t want to offend anyone).

The last time he contacted me was Sunday evening when he apologised for being so busy with work, general update on his work report, he spoke about Christmas gifts as well then wished me a good Sunday evening as he always did ☺ X
 
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Yolo_polo

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Yeah they absolutely do use it as a weapon. I mean he never has or anything but I’ve seen it happen so many times.

Yeah I think if anything, he’s maybe been overthinking it all a bit too much and scared himself. Which is annoying because he was the one being more full on that me? 😅. But I do know he genuinely had the report to do, he mentioned it a few weeks ago, and that it was a big stress for him.

Thanks for the thoughtful response ☺ X
No problem. You’ll be able to tell from his response whether or not he’s playing you and whatever happens it will allow you to draw a line under the whole confusing situation rather than it dragging on any longer. If you just leave him to keep going on like this there’s always the chance he’ll zombie you and pop back up again in a few months, that’s the worst! I know it’s cliche but these things actually make you a better person. I can’t tell you how many fuck boys and ghosts I encountered from these dating apps I just reached a point where I was about to give up when I met my now fiancé on tinder. So there are good experiences with these things too! Good luck!
 
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Sweetcorn

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It actually sounds like love bombing and alarm bells are ringing. I hate to be harsh but he sounded full of shit from the word go.
Hey, I’d never heard of this and looked it up. There are so many ‘signs’ that I’ve seen (posted one but there were so many, most said similar things) but they don’t really relate to this I feel. The only real thing that relates that things were moving ‘fast’ which I suppose they were in a way but I did read him asking me to ‘move in’ etc what just in a joking way.

But thanks for bringing this to my attention, I’d never heard about it before so I’ll be aware of it from now on 😊 x

Agree.

It’s all just verging on being a bit weird.

Why the need to “bubble” together? You’ve known the guy for a few weeks!! He’s a relative stranger!!!!!

All the chat about keeping the stuff in a box..... sorry but that’s kinda..... creepy. What 25 year old guy does that?!

all sorts of alarm bells are ringing here. He sounds like a wrong’un
It was just so we could actually spend time together and see where things went etc. Otherwise we’d have been restricted to outdoor meetings. Feeling like you can’t get very far in the dating world at the minute 😅 And I’m not sure if it’s weird for a guy, I thought thoughtful because he was planning to make something for me. Suppose I didn’t find it weird because I too can keep things to remind me of stuff, maybe it is strange though if you don’t 😆 x
 

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Sweetcorn

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Also, you cant judge a book by its cover, just because he doesn't seem like a player and has a good job and is a bit nerdy doesn't mean anything at all. Actions speak louder than words and if he was properly interested then you would know and he would be making time for you.
Yeah I absolutely get that ☺. I was more just staying that to set the scene.

Thanks 😊 x