I don’t know for sure but if you read the other stories from people mixed up with her, Jodi has a real pattern of getting rid of the husbands to get close to the wives so…We’re Jodi and Ruby dating??? There was deffo something weird going on
Yes there’s a train of thought, she booted the husbands out the way, to get close to the wives and the self-harming behaviour was because they don’t recognise being gay in LDS church.Hence all the evil/devil stuff she says.I don’t know for sure but if you read the other stories from people mixed up with her, Jodi has a real pattern of getting rid of the husbands to get close to the wives so…
Yeah plus there’s so many loopholes in the church, like soaking etc that I wouldn’t be suprised if she was convincing and blackmailing RubyYes there’s a train of thought, she booted the husbands out the way, to get close to the wives and the self-harming behaviour was because they don’t recognise being gay in LDS church.Hence all the evil/devil stuff she says.
Ruby and Jodi were sharing a bed at one point so who knows
I just came here to see if anyone had seen the photos. I don't know why but I had seen so many videos talking about the evidence and they all seemed to show the photos of R with the cling film/duct tape, so I just assumed the photos were more of the same, which is horrific enough. But I wasn't at all prepared for what was in the case files. Those poor, poor children. Utterly horrifying, and they will never have anonymity because of the exposure they had on the youtube channel prior.The photos of Russell’s injury’s is horrific and I wish I hadn’t seen them but I didn’t realise what I was clicking on in the subreddit. I don’t think they would be alive today if it wasn’t for him breaking out either!
I had similar feelings about Kevin before hearing the newest interview where he describes the (IMO) coercive control and abuse inflicted on him. I challenged myself when listening to the interview to think about how I’d feel if he was a woman speaking about coercive control by men, and that really helped me to see it from a different perspective. It makes a lot of sense to me when coupled with Jodi’s notorious history of this type of behaviour towards men.I just came here to see if anyone had seen the photos. I don't know why but I had seen so many videos talking about the evidence and they all seemed to show the photos of R with the cling film/duct tape, so I just assumed the photos were more of the same, which is horrific enough. But I wasn't at all prepared for what was in the case files. Those poor, poor children. Utterly horrifying, and they will never have anonymity because of the exposure they had on the youtube channel prior.
I cannot fathom this at all. And I feel that Kevin needs to be held accountable - ignorance is not a defence. As a parent I would absolutely not put up with the other parent withholding the children from me, and I know my husband wouldn't. It is neglectful. The interviews with him are telling in that he thought some of the discipline was justified.
Those poor, poor children. Just horrifying.
Problem is, he was part of the abuse but somehow got away with it. He was aiding thing and allowed this to happen as he was desperate to get back into the cult. He is really no better than Ruby.I had similar feelings about Kevin before hearing the newest interview where he describes the (IMO) coercive control and abuse inflicted on him. I challenged myself when listening to the interview to think about how I’d feel if he was a woman speaking about coercive control by men, and that really helped me to see it from a different perspective. It makes a lot of sense to me when coupled with Jodi’s notorious history of this type of behaviour towards men.
That said, I respect that some people feel differently as it’s a super complex situation and ultimately the main issue is that the children’s abuse finally came to an end.
I don't know, I think if it was a woman you would feel worse towards them. Imagine it - your abusive ex takes your children to live with someone else and won't let you see them for upwards of a year. You don't see or speak to them. Do you think the public would be sympathetic to a mother who didn't move hell and high water to see her children? If it was me I absolutely would have called the police to say my children had been abducted, and I would enforce a contact agreement of some kind. The fact he 'trusted' her to look after the kids meant this abuse went totally unchecked. He could have stopped this abuse had he been in regular contact with the children as he should have been as a father.I had similar feelings about Kevin before hearing the newest interview where he describes the (IMO) coercive control and abuse inflicted on him. I challenged myself when listening to the interview to think about how I’d feel if he was a woman speaking about coercive control by men, and that really helped me to see it from a different perspective. It makes a lot of sense to me when coupled with Jodi’s notorious history of this type of behaviour towards men.
That said, I respect that some people feel differently as it’s a super complex situation and ultimately the main issue is that the children’s abuse finally came to an end.
Completely respect your viewpoint, absolutely. I just feel that this perspective somewhat diminishes the impact that coercive control and complete social isolation can have on a person, which I do think could’ve contributed to his lack of knowledge about the kids’ situation and his lack of action. Jodi was extremely well connected and well respected within the church and it’s an unfortunate fact that law enforcement and the LDS church in Utah are intertwined.I don't know, I think if it was a woman you would feel worse towards them. Imagine it - your abusive ex takes your children to live with someone else and won't let you see them for upwards of a year. You don't see or speak to them. Do you think the public would be sympathetic to a mother who didn't move hell and high water to see her children? If it was me I absolutely would have called the police to say my children had been abducted, and I would enforce a contact agreement of some kind. The fact he 'trusted' her to look after the kids meant this abuse went totally unchecked. He could have stopped this abuse had he been in regular contact with the children as he should have been as a father.
It seems like he also didn’t have much to do with Shari and the sad truth is that if as a man and their father Kevin had stepped up and requested a welfare check then it would likely have carried a lot more weight than Shari as a young, estranged daughter.Completely respect your viewpoint, absolutely. I just feel that this perspective somewhat diminishes the impact that coercive control and complete social isolation can have on a person, which I do think could’ve contributed to his lack of knowledge about the kids’ situation and his lack of action. Jodi was extremely well connected and well respected within the church and it’s an unfortunate fact that law enforcement and the LDS church in Utah are intertwined.
Shari reported Ruby to the police numerous times and requested welfare checks for the kids which amounted to nothing. It took Russell escaping and being in such a dire physical condition for them to step in.
His only questions for the police was can he have her diaries, where’s his money and pretty much that is it. He was desperate to get his hands on their diaries which is why he was mad Shari had them. There is something within the hard drives, diaries etc that he was desperate for and imagine it’s something to do with connexions - he needs to be deradicalized, they all do.It seems like he also didn’t have much to do with Shari and the sad truth is that if as a man and their father Kevin had stepped up and requested a welfare check then it would likely have carried a lot more weight than Shari as a young, estranged daughter.
He was brainwashed and coerced sure but you can likely also say the same for Ruby - yes, the family were abusive before which is on her and Kevin entirely but what it transformed into was something in an entirely different ballpark to that. If the coercion and Jodi’s brainwashing isn’t an excuse for Ruby (and I don’t think it is at all), it’s not an excuse for Kevin either… but he seemed more bothered about her handing over the precious channel than he did about his children.
Personally speaking, I think they were. The Law & Crime Network channel on YouTube has done some really excellent, indepth videos and they showed Kevin's police interviews where he said before the breakup, Jodi insisted that she and Ruby share a bed. And her whole MO seems to be laden with misandry. Not saying that lesbians are in any way misandrist but I wouldn't be surprised if she had a sexual relationship with Ruby as a way of exerting even more control.We’re Jodi and Ruby dating??? There was deffo something weird going on