William and Kate #6

[Alfie1234]

I’ve seen people saying that if you don’t believe that Kate was responsible for everything that came out before she said that she has cancer, you’re a misogynist. Apparently because she’s the Princess of Wales, she is KP so any slight directed at KP is a slight at her. Tell that to Diana, pow. When she was pow, how much agency did she have?? Not a lot by all accounts in her own words and other people’s.

Also the people saying that Harry threw Kate under the bus - that’s not how I read it. Apparently if you think so, that makes you a ‘Sussex supporter’. Harry said that Kate had been upset because Meghan suggested K had baby brain and they weren’t close enough for her to make a comment like that. Maybe I don’t read things the same way as other people but the way I read it was that Harry thought cultural differences in America caused some of the discomfort between Kate & Meghan and that he felt it was sad the four of them were now arguing. I suppose the things he said about William were more harsh but that’s another topic.

People seem to forget that there was a period of time where these couples were called ‘the fab four’. No doubt by the hardcore royalists who think everything is black and white with no room for nuance.

It’s sad because it’s impossible to have a genuine conversation about them all because people just want to paint them as either saints or demons and as you say it’s far more nuanced than that. My sympathies lean towards H&M to a degree because I think the treatment they receive on social media and the MSM is utterly abhorrent and the RF have never, ever tried to stop it, in fact they’ve encouraged it. I genuinely believe that M and the children would be at risk of physical harm if they came back here because some of the stuff written about them and posted on YT is unhinged.

Sad that it came to this because how lovely would it have been for Kate to have gone over there for a holiday with her family when her treatment was done. Both sides seem so entrenched in their bitterness and jealousy that I dont see anything changing anytime soon and certainly not while people like the odious Lady C are earning a living off the back of it.

 

[Skewbedu]

[QUOTE="Dotty Merton, post: 18799635, member: 319826"
I'm more interested in which posters are 'hostile states' tbh Any idea luv?
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I'm usually in a hostile state before my first tea of the day if that narrows it down.

Back on topic -isn't the Princess Royal title more of a gift of the Queen type thing?

 

[Boring Monday]

I'm more interested in which posters are 'hostile states' tbh Any idea luv?

I'm usually in a hostile state before my first tea of the day if that narrows it down.

Back on topic -isn't the Princess Royal title more of a gift of the Queen type thing?

It‘s one of those things that is not automatic but is customarily bestowed on the eldest daughter of the monarch. I find it funny that when her dad was on the throne, technically the Queen could have been made Princess Royal if not for the fact her aunt and the then current holder was still alive, as it’s a for life thing, so for Charlotte she will only be eligible to receive it when Anne is no longer about, even if William is King ( so Anne couldn‘t have been Princess Royal immediately the Queen came to the throne as Princess Mary didn’t pass away until 1965).

 

[SaltandPepperChicken]

It‘s one of those things that is not automatic but is customarily bestowed on the eldest daughter of the monarch. I find it funny that when her dad was on the throne, technically the Queen could have been made Princess Royal if not for the fact her aunt and the then current holder was still alive, as it’s a for life thing, so for Charlotte she will only be eligible to receive it when Anne is no longer about, even if William is King ( so Anne couldn‘t have been Princess Royal immediately the Queen came to the throne as Princess Mary didn’t pass away until 1965).

If Anne was to die soon I think it would be a bit weird for Charlotte to get that title before George is Prince of Wales. It feels to me that she would have a ‘better title’.

Won’t matter anyway as Anne will go on forever!!

 

[Boring Monday]

If Anne was to die soon I think it would be a bit weird for Charlotte to get that title before George is Prince of Wales. It feels to me that she would have a ‘better title’.

Won’t matter anyway as Anne will go on forever!!

Charlotte can’t get it until William is King.

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

He was 15 years old when Diana died in a car crash. Far beyond the age of getting scared someone might die because they're ill. I was 7 and had a parent die and old enough to not link minor illnesses with risk of death (not that cancer is a minor illness but picking up on the point made in the quoted post).

If triggered by anything it should be by not wearing seat belts and getting in a car with a driver who might have been drinking.

What works for you isn't necessarily the same across the board. He was 15 but he had the eyes of the world on him, which is something 99.9% of us will never experience.

 

[stardust21]

What works for you isn't necessarily the same across the board. He was 15 but he had the eyes of the world on him, which is something 99.9% of us will never experience.

I agree. I was 14 when I lost a parent. I worry my Dad and husband are going to die all the time. It’s given me awful anxiety about losing people. Everyone is different.

And one of the reasons Diana died was because she was being hounded by press. (Obviously she actually died because she wasn’t wearing a seatbelt and the driver was drunk). But that will have left a huge wound.

 

[Blurp]

I will respectfully disagree. Anyone with who is HRH doesn’t have a surname as such. But the descendants of the Queen and PP are entitled to use “Mountbatten-Windsor” if and when they see fit. It is the surname of male lines without a title, but there are no such examples besides Archie, but he is now Prince Archie as a grandchild of the reigning monarch. You’d need an act of parliament to change that.
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She has been HRH Princess Anne since birth as the granddaughter of King George. . I guess I misspoke by saying Princess Royal. I will have to double check when she got that title… no princess royal she has had since Elizabeth became sovereign, so definitely well before she herself got married. Any child or grandchild of sovereign is a prince or princess (their first name), as opposed to Kate who is Catherine, Princess of wales. The eldest daughter of the sovereign is also the princess royal.

Are you disagreeing with what the royals' actual official website says about their surname? Their surname when needed, eg for marriage certificates, is Mountbatten-Windsor. They don't need an Act of Parliament, neither King George nor Queen Elizabeth needed one. Only male line grandchildren have royal titles in the British royal family - this is not Sweden or Belgium. She most certainly signed that register with her surname as I saw a photograph of it at the time; it was in all the newspapers as the first sight of the new surname.

The title of Princess Royal is awarded and is not automatic. It is also for life. Elizabeth, despite being the elder daughter of the monarch, was never Princess Royal as her aunt, the only daughter of George V, held the title and was still alive. Mary died in 1965 and Anne was awarded the title in 1987. She married Mark Phillips in 1973. It is similar to the title of Prince of Wales in that it has to be awarded. Charles went from Prince Charles of Edinburgh to the Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay automatically when his mother acceded in 1952 but did not become Prince of Wales until 1958. Similarly, William automatically became Duke of Cornwall and Duke of Rothesay on Charles' accession but was made Prince of Wales the following day.

Anne was born HRH Princess Anne of Edinburgh as her mother was heiress presumptive; Princess Margaret's children took their rank from their father and do not have royal titles, the same as Anne's own children. When her mother acceded to the throne, she became HRH The Princess Anne. When she married, she became HRH The Princess Anne, Mrs Mark Phillips, just as she is now Lady Laurence. This is the same as grandchildren of the monarch such as HRH Princess Eugenie, Mrs Jack Brooksbank, except that children of the monarch have 'The' before the Prince/Princess title.

Edit to add: Were Catherine not HRH The Duchess of Cornwall, Rothesay and Cambridge as well as Princess of Wales, she would be HRH Princess William. She is a princess, as stated on her children's birth certificates, just not under her own name, unlike other monarchies.

Edit again to add: in order for Charles and Anne to be born royal to a princess (Philip had resigned his places in the succession to three different thrones), I'm presuming that George VI did a similar Letters Patent as Elizabeth later did for the then Cambridge children as great-grandchildren of the monarch.

 

[KK77]

What I don't get are so many adults assuming if you criticise William and/or Kate, you must love Harry and Meghan. And vice versa. It's entirely possible to be ambivalent towards all of them!

Here, here I am fed up of that assumption.
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It’s sad because it’s impossible to have a genuine conversation about them all because people just want to paint them as either saints or demons and as you say it’s far more nuanced than that. My sympathies lean towards H&M to a degree because I think the treatment they receive on social media and the MSM is utterly abhorrent and the RF have never, ever tried to stop it, in fact they’ve encouraged it. I genuinely believe that M and the children would be at risk of physical harm if they came back here because some of the stuff written about them and posted on YT is unhinged.

Sad that it came to this because how lovely would it have been for Kate to have gone over there for a holiday with her family when her treatment was done. Both sides seem so entrenched in their bitterness and jealousy that I dont see anything changing anytime soon and certainly not while people like the odious Lady C are earning a living off the back of it.

Well said

 

[SaltandPepperChicken]

Charlotte can’t get it until William is King.

Ah, I didn’t realise that. Thank you x

 

[Jemadah]

He was 15 years old when Diana died in a car crash. Far beyond the age of getting scared someone might die because they're ill. I was 7 and had a parent die and old enough to not link minor illnesses with risk of death

Judgemental much? I was older than 15 when I lost a parent completely out of the blue after what has seemed like an innocuous illness turned into something fatal, and when my other parent got ill the next year I was terrified. But thanks ever so much for belittling my feelings and experience in one fell swoop. Count yourself lucky if you've not been through what I did instead of being such a... 35 likes on my comment versus a paltry 5 on yours suggests I'm not alone, and that very few people agree with you so maybe think on.

 

[ayms94]

My best friend lost her Dad to cancer when she was 24. Now she gets so worried when her Husband or Mum get even mildly ill. She is so, so scared that they will be taken from her too. It is a very real fear for those who have lost a parent at any age, let alone a 15 year old boy.

 

[Baby Giraffe]

Judgemental much? I was older than 15 when I lost a parent completely out of the blue after what has seemed like an innocuous illness turned into something fatal, and when my other parent got ill the next year I was terrified. But thanks ever so much for belittling my feelings and experience in one fell swoop. Count yourself lucky if you've not been through what I did instead of being such a... 35 likes on my comment versus a paltry 5 on yours suggests I'm not alone, and that very few people agree with you so maybe think on.

My best friend lost her Dad to cancer when she was 24. Now she gets so worried when her Husband or Mum get even mildly ill. She is so, so scared that they will be taken from her too. It is a very real fear for those who have lost a parent at any age, let alone a 15 year old boy.

I don’t think anybody can say how everybody feels as there’s no universal response to things like this. I too lost my dad to cancer when I was in my mid 20s too and, whilst I was devastated to lose him and still think of him 30 years later, I personally don’t carry any fear of loosing others. That’s not to diminish people who do but it genuinely isn’t a universal thing.

 

[Deb788]

Judgemental much? I was older than 15 when I lost a parent completely out of the blue after what has seemed like an innocuous illness turned into something fatal, and when my other parent got ill the next year I was terrified. But thanks ever so much for belittling my feelings and experience in one fell swoop. Count yourself lucky if you've not been through what I did instead of being such a... 35 likes on my comment versus a paltry 5 on yours suggests I'm not alone, and that very few people agree with you so maybe think on.

I agree . I lost my mum 4 years ago to suicide ( I'm in my 40s) nearly every waking minute I'm worrying in the back of my mind about my partner, family or even the dog dying. It exhausting and I can't explain it as she wasn't ill but it was a case of here today gone tomorrow.

 

[kingseven]

Today in grief porn digital art

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[Dotty Merton]

Check out ‘Who trolled Amber Herd’ podcast for some ideas on that more generally.

Thanks but no thanks.

 

[gossipgal21]

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ok I know you have a warning but WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL is this tit.

 

[GalaxyGirl70]

I can only assume hope that the person who made that illustration is in a nice warm and cosy secure unit somewhere.

 

[secretlondoner]

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[Boring Monday]

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