Vegans and Ex-vegans

[DietGossip]

Miles, is that healthy crazy cool or something like that? I unfollowed him a couple of years ago because he seems like a complete nobhead.

Yeah, same here. But apparently he's gone all anti med, anti vax.

 

[lokiofasgard]

Oh my god so triggered due to Helena Rose I just want to love her but she is affecting me in a very bad way ughhh I need to unfollow I am sorry.

 

[emm]

I really liked Helena Rose, but I cannot watch anymore. Having had an ED and severe depression... she looks so small and tiny and sick and it makes me so sad. She seems to have lost so much weight and being so unhealthy towards food. :/

Hadn't watched anything of her in ages... she seems a bit..manic, the video seems like it is speeded up, i actually had to check j hadnt our the sound on double time...she is clearly suffering some kind of mental health problems.. does she live alone? Watching this is actually quite stressful. What is this group therapy she is doing?

 

[emm]

I just watched his latest video. They had a couple of treats from a raw vegan bakery, but aside from that - only fruits, nuts / seeds, and vegetables. I love raw foods in the summer as well, but Jil and Miles seem to be eating no grains or pulses at all. This might be okay for someone who is trying to lose some weight, but not for people who are already super skinny. But, of course, that's their choice. Miles has eaten healthily for so long, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. But it doesn't look so good. And I know Jil has a history of disordered eating.

Didn;t miles also have an eating disorder before he became vegan? I might be confusing him with someone else but I thought he had

 

[boss_babe_detox]

Wait when did Gaz say something antivax?

Just google "avantgardevegan antivax" and you'll see the reddit thread, he shared Joe Rogans podcast with some hack doctor talking about covid. He also apprently has been seen commenting on various covid, lockdown and vaccine related content.

 

[Lionsden]

What do you guys know and think about Jil. I don't really know her at all, I do find her very beautiful and I see why he fell in love with her, she's hard to take your eyes off but I don't really know her at all.

I don't even know where to start. She has a Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/jiliciousjourney/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=0 I watched her videos for a while, maybe around 2015, 2016. But she hasn't been active much lately, she is mainly on Instagram. She started out as a girl with "body issues" (naturally full hips and thighs and weight she gained on the pill), discovered veganism, probably through Freelee, and managed to lose a lot of weight. When you scroll down her Youtube channel you can see what she was like when she started. Some of her videos are in English. I think she is one of those young people who go from one self-help strategy to the next, like diets, routines, affirmations, whatever. For Jil, this culminated in healing crystals, yoga, meditation, and, finally, spiritual cleansing and healing rituals. She has hosted workshops on some of these topics. When she started Youtube, Jil was a student (psychology, I think). She was always well off and seemed to come from a fairly wealthy family. She had several modeling jobs, I think she was even at IMG for a little while. Soon, she began making money through Youtube monetization and brand deals. Today, I would call her a charlatan. People from outside Germany may have become aware of her during the Joe Best Thai Fruit Fest scandal. There are still countless videos online documenting what supposedly happened between Jil and Joe. Jil claims to have suffered from anxiety and depression and she also says she was sexually abused at some point. Since 2017, her Youtube appearances have mainly been for paid sponsorships or collaborations with other people. I'm not sure when Jil became so New Age, maybe it was 2018. Her Instagram is a weird combination of ads for esoteric lifestyle products, ramblings about astrological constellations and personal experience, and thinspo. I wonder how she finances herself nowadays since there are fewer workshops due to the pandemic, and she hasn't really been active on Youtube and Instagram for a while. Maybe Miles is supporting her fully at this point. I also wonder whether she gave up her apartment in Hamburg, given that she has been living in England with Miles for over a year now.

 

[Winners_Song]

Paul is now telling us that he and Jason have very strong lungs as they do breathing exercises every night and "have done for years". OK does that counteract the heavy smoking huns?

 

[Millennial Pink]

When you say it feels very transactional, he used to be a sex worker and made a video about it. Theres nothing wrong with sex work between consenting adults and he’s not ashamed of that which is fine, but what really bothered me in the video, is he made no distinction between that and child prostitution and pedos.

Paul said he tried to do a talk at VCO and they never even bothered replying to him, that’ll be the real reason he doesn’t wanna go there anymore. Hes been sacked from nearly every job he’s been in and has admitted he’s unemployable. And of course the narcissist in him can’t resist having a go at anyone in the comments who dares to disagree or criticise anything they do.

Ah yes, I remember that video he did where he talked about how he outed a public figure client of his in the tabloids. He's a reprehensible human being at times.

 

[AshMay]

Oh no you got me taking a look! Ughh

 

[emm]

Definitely, but my question was for real though. Like vaccination is he even talking about? ALL kinds or ... ?
I mean, there are loooooads of vaccinations. From national health programs to addition stuff you can get (like Hep B for example). The flu shot..
I'm so tired of people demonizing vaccination when it has literally saved so incredibly many people. I'm sick and tired of people not caring about people like me, who have an immunodeficiency. I am insanely grateful that, as a child, this wasn't the case yet and I got all the important stuff. My friend is a teacher, she keeps mentioning how these days there are kids with the most scary illnesses because their parents refuse to get their kids vaccinated, leaving them permanently disabled etc.
I remember when I was young, there was no question about vaccination yes or no. You just went. I remember at elementary school we had 1 child who couldn't get vaccinated due to being severely allergic to one of the ingredients, so I remember our parents talking about it a LOT that everybody HAD to get vaccinated in order to protect that 1 child. I remember parents telling their scared children that we had to do this, not just for themselves but also to protect that boy, because we had to take care of each other. Our parents taught us important lessons back then. No questions asked.

Sorry for the rant. I'm just so tired of people spreading this nonsense and I'm so tired that some of these vegans with a large platform do this. It gives us such a bad reputation when literally they are the only freaks, most of us are insanely normal and just keep quiet/to ourselves.
I'm tired.

Same. What is sad is that, as you said, in the past vaccines weren't questioned precisely because people had seen life before them. I remember my parents telling me about friends /family etc getting tb, measles or polio and how awful or even fatal it was. Now most people don't remember this/haven't seen it with their own eyes and basically there needs to be some massive putbreak of something to make people see sense again. I miss my grandparents but im happy at times theyre not alive to see this madness, i can only imagine they would be spinning in their graves

 

[Millennial Pink]

Paul is the epitome of 'do as I say and not as I do'. I remember him whinging about other creators not minding their own business, but he's quite happy to drag other people's content. I watched some of the Vegan Queens videos and his ignorance on racial matters is astounding. Him talking about BLM is pure virtue signalling.

 

[macrofriendly]

I don't know why and I don't know much about Miles but he gives me the creeps

 

[Tea&Toast]

Agree with everything that’s been said about TVG’s, especially Paul. He really has become a virtue signaling irritating arse.subscribers are utterly cringe as well

His rants about covid are embarrassing, as are his wittering on about being the subject of a burglary.! He has mentioned this numerous times it’s just godawful embarrassing.
Also, I’m sure there’s more to his dismissal from his job. I’d love to hear the other side of the story.

I find Jason equally irritating tbh. They both barely work and arse around on the allotment, and making ‘content’ for U tube. What a joke.

They were shooting their mouth off (especially Paul) about not going to a vegan festival cos they were worried about covid.- and lecturing anyone who was going. LMAO, that Jason still got covid. They could have gone to the festival, and lived a little and actually had fun!! At least if they got covid there, they would have been doing something interesting for a change.

I don’t watch the Vegan Queens. I hate drag, and their mate Stuart gives me the creeps!

Imagine going to see the Vegan Queens crap show, with Paul’s 80 a day shit pub singer voice I find the way he talks about his drag persona Gemini in the third person a bit creepy, like someone with multiple personality disorder.

Paul isn’t about having fun at VCO the moaning misery was probably too busy being jealous of the other more successful YTrs, maybe that’s why he really doesn’t want to go back there. I didn’t know they’d had a burglary, so he’s been moaning about that now, I think he’s often fishing for sympathy, money and gifts from their subs. Paul mentioned that they needed a part for their car in their live and people started donating money, he also mentioned about wanting another air fryer. And their ticket for Vegan Camp Out was actually a gift from someone, what an ungrateful sod, he could have at least let Jason go with a friend.

 

[Lionsden]

he always seems so frightfully middle class to me.. i assumed he came from money. Like his family were quite wealthy..

I was always surprised about the large amounts of high quality groceries he bought year round. I know you can prioritize and spend less on clothes or travel, etc., but you need to have a solid income to be that carefree about consuming several kilos of tropical fruit, avocados, and masses of nut butters on a daily basis.

I get that it was difficult for Miles to own up to his addiction while it was happening, but I'm still upset about the many ways in which he lied to his followers. He once spoke about how his life must look like a holiday to others, because he only showed himself lounging in the sun with Jil, eating lots of fruit, when in fact most moments of his days were filled with work (whatever that means... I have no idea what he actually does). But truthfully, according to his latest video, the moments he showed must have been the few ones in which he wasn't experiencing severe pain. So many things don't add up. The feedback under his video is extremely positive and supportive, but I feel that it will be difficult to really trust Miles after this. It's like he is wiping the slate clean with the admission of his chemical dependency, but actually he is not.

 

[emm]

It looks like Miles is still holding on to his anti-vax and conspiracy ideas. What a waste of a human brain.

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When did Miles become so crazy? I never followed him but I'd seem him a couple of times on others videos on YouTube. Jesus

 

[KateToTheParty]

Best raw vegan youtuber drama ever was a big fat guy who lived out in Thailand invited some German girl and another raw vegan girl to live in his house then German girl accused him of sending her sexual messages and basically the fat guy was demonised all over YouTube but then came with receipts that German girl had been sending him messages as if they were embarking on a relationship to get free/discounted rent she then Had to post some Long ass vlog saying she had mental health . So dramatic and I believe freelee and durianrider got involved somewhere down the line

 

[Lionsden]

It looks like Miles is still holding on to his anti-vax and conspiracy ideas. What a waste of a human brain.

 

[Bluelipstick]

I'm not sure how I feel about those vegan guys. Sometimes I laugh and other times I'm just annoyed I'm not really interested in the allotment stuff.

 

[Nekyia]

What is going on with Durian Rider and his new gf? Does anyone think she is just an (attractive) accessory for him?

Αren't they all? The way he's boasting saying every girl who gets to be his gf ends up so leeeeeean, scares me tbh

 

[oshare]

just hopping in here to do a quick straw poll after a comment in another thread. someone claimed that a lot of vegans still cook meat and have it in their fridge..

Anyone?!!!!!

Definitely not me! When I still lived with my family I shared a fridge with them, they are all non-vegans (not even veggie). After multiple fights and me getting VERY upset after my brother kept putting raw chicken and meat on "my" shelf in the fridge (next to cut open melon! wtf) I got permission from my parents to get my own fridge.
I live alone now for quite a while and my household is definitely cruelty free. I would also never cook up meat for family. Each their own, but it's not for me. I could never, I would get incredibly upset and probably start crying.