I like his recipes but I find him a bit arrogant.i don't know if he fits the category but avantgarde vegan is my absolute favorite
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I think avant garden vegan is a tosser. It’s all style over substance with him!
You said it in the way I thought it (I was trying to be more subtle!)
yeah I’m not a fan of his either, or the Bosh guys.
oh wow so many of you don't like him! 
The Bosh cookbook is great though
I really don’t like it. It’s very uninspiring! I like the banana bread recipe but that’s about it.
thank you to those of you who recommended erin rutherford, i love her!!
she looks like a beautiful version of meghan from love island
she looks like a beautiful version of meghan from love island
Yes, you are talking about Joseph Best (Joe Best) and Jil Zeletzki (Jilicious Journey). Annie Jaffrey was also involved. Joe is still in Chiang Mai, still vegan, and still surrounds himself with pretty young people. He's not skinny but seems to have lost some weight, and he looks pretty happy. He left Youtube after the sexual harassment allegations (the drama was huge and endless) but can be found on Facebook. Jil has since been active mainly on Instagram, where she is a kind of new age guru. She has been Miles Kasiri's (Healthy Crazy Cool) girlfriend since summer 2020. They secretly liked each other from their Youtube channels for years, started writing to each other last year, and last summer Jil flew to England to meet him for the first time and directly moved in with him. She can sometimes be seen in his videos. In my opinion they are both in the throes of an ED, they have both gotten thinner and thinner over the years, but they call it healing...
Jill sounds nice (!)
His cinnamon rolls are amazing have made them loads with different fillingsI like his recipes but I find him a bit arrogant.
I’ve started to dip in and out of those vegan guys again. Can’t decide if I like them or not! Anyone watch them?
I recently found them. I like them and I'm enjoying the allotment vlogs.
They’ve set up a go fund me, as they want to be full time u tubers but can’t afford it. My heart bleeds. Cheeky people
Veganism unfortunately attracts a lot of people with pre-existing EDs because it's very restrictive and has a reputation (not always earned) as being the best for weight loss or control. Freelee, who is batshit insane, was seriously anorexic before she invented her batshit insane 'vegan' banana diarrhoea diet. Fancy, a person who is obsessed with being very very thin, inventing a laxative fruit diet that causes bowel purging. Shock!
It doesn't shock me either that so many vegan YTers turned to other batshit diets, like going full bore carnivore, raw meat-eating, total plant-hating, fibre- eschewing stuff. One, it's extremism and outrage that drives the algorithm and gets the clicks. Secondly, people looking for diets as cure-alls tend to bounce from one extreme and restrictive option to the next over the years. I know someone like this IRL. Years of bowel issues, probably some form of IBS, and she has gone from growing her own beansprouts ethical and health-obsessed vegan to full on raw milk-obsessed, raw meat eating, plant hater in the past three years since following some carnivore loons on YT and now claims the all-meat diet is the only one for all humanity and all disease is caused by wrong diet, specifically plant-based ones. She tends to extremist positions on everything though, so it's simply a reflection of how she deals with reality, needing tight little boxes to feel secure. People with this mindset seem to always need a highly prescribed, prescriptive diet that is 100% out of tune with mainstream food cultures to feel special and secure for some reason. It's a cultish mindset. Food and diet as defining social identity.
Wow, just wow!They’ve set up a go fund me, as they want to be full time u tubers but can’t afford it. My heart bleeds. Cheeky people
They’ve become really full of it as their subs has grown. I don’t trust them in the slightest. They seem purely out to become u tube celebs now!
I think I'm starting to agree. I've noticed recently that Paul has mentioned his birthday is coming up soon a few times, then on the last unboxing (I think) he actually blurted the date as if to say send me stuff!
Thought exactly the same thing. It was so obvious!
I'm not sure how I feel about those vegan guys. Sometimes I laugh and other times I'm just annoyed I'm not really interested in the allotment stuff.
I'm not really interested in the allotment stuff.