From what i have read I really do think he had far reaching connections and a lot of info on quite a few MPs, police who had got into higher ranks and info on the royals. After all you don't get the keys a prison if not. He was part of a paedophile ring or even the leader, it is disgusting to think but there are far more people involved who have never been named or caughtAs I've said before, I don't think he had anywhere near as much dirt on people as is widely believed. He got to the position he did essentially by being confident and acting as if he already belonged. Its a relatively common tactic, and it works far better than you would expect. Especially for someone who is as amoral as he clearly was. Basically he created a myth about himself, which to his victims, who were vulnerable and would never be believed over a famous man, was all that he needed to do. That myth then leaked out, as these things do, and obviously that made it even more pervasive. Something doesn't need to be true if the person you're telling believes it.
He probably did have some dirt on some mid-ranking police officers in S.Yorkshire (and probably some people in the media), but I suspect that's as far as it went (and really its as far as it needed to go to keep him out of trouble).
Louis didn't really reveal much about himself in his book. Bit about his childhood and teen years but it was all skimmed over for the most part. It basically seemed like he was cleansing his sins from the Savile stuff. So yeah, that part seemed to go on for ages, assuring us he was keeping his distance, didn't trust Savile and all that.Louis Theroux is a strange man himself, I've enjoyed his docs in the past, but there's something about him that seems quite dark. The programme and follow up wasn't comfortable viewing, I'm sure the book must be much worse in terms of details and underlying feelings.
I do feel that Louis was threatened by saville, maybe not overtly but turning up at your house where you live with your wife and child is threatening enough. He had no need to and would have had to have pulled a few strings to find out where it was, that was him showing him he could change his life in a blink if he wanted toLouis didn't really reveal much about himself in his book. Bit about his childhood and teen years but it was all skimmed over for the most part. It basically seemed like he was cleansing his sins from the Savile stuff. So yeah, that part seemed to go on for ages, assuring us he was keeping his distance, didn't trust Savile and all that.
With Louis, he's definitely hard to work out as a person. Doesn't give much away at all.
He comes across to me as far too much of a loner and an egotist to be involved with such a group. He always seemed very selfish and wanted to be in charge of everything. No way would high ranking politicians and royals let him be in charge. There were probably a couple of hangers on of his involved (in fact one of them was jailed, and another one died before going to court), but they were people he could control. Like I said, I think he worked very hard on cultivating an image of being highly connected, and maybe he even believed it himself. But I think if it had actually been tested it would have fallen apart very quickly indeed.From what i have read I really do think he had far reaching connections and a lot of info on quite a few MPs, police who had got into higher ranks and info on the royals. He was part of a paedophile ring or even the leader, it is disgusting to think but there are far more people involved who have never been named or caught
Wouldn't put it past Savile as he seemed pretty ruthless. Plus he wasn't the Louis of today - he was still just getting going then. So probably a lot easier to get to.I do feel that Louis was threatened by saville, maybe not overtly but turning up at your house where you live with your wife and child is threatening enough. He had no need to and would have had to have pulled a few strings to find out where it was, that was him showing him he could change his life in a blink if he wanted too
When I was in college I knew a girl who was a huge Lost Prophets fan, she was around 16/17 and Ian Watkins was directly messaging her, she was so thrilled and excited and we were all so awed by it as we were such big fans of the band, this was around 2006-2007.This is such an interesting thread!
There’s a couple I’d like to throw into the mix:
Ian Watkins (LostProphets) - did the band really have no idea what he was up to? I used to be a LP fan back in the 00’s and I genuinely was shocked when what he had done all came out back in 2012/13 when he was arrested and then convicted. Apparently it was well know for years but I must have been living under a rock as I’d never heard the rumours about young girls/kids.
Caprice - she had 2 kids the same age, apparently 1 born by surrogate and 1 she conceived at exactly the same time, just sounds a bit strange.
The whole Nicole Kidman situation/relationship with her adopted kids and also Tom and Suri. What really happened between them all? Was it all Scientology?
I think someone else mentioned Anna Nicole Smith, always thought this was a tragic one with lots of questions marks over it.
Philip Scofield was seeing a young man working at ITV on the side and it was going to be exposed so that’s why he publicly came out when he did?
I know Brittany Murphy has come up a couple of times on this thread. Think I read something once that she had a problem with very severe monthly menstral bleeding and one theory was she had anemia due to heavy bleeding and therefore was weak and the whole mouldy home and subsequent respiratory illness was made worse.
Will have to agree to disagree, i have read a lot of things that say otherwiseHe comes across to me as far too much of a loner and an egotist to be involved with such a group. He always seemed very selfish and wanted to be in charge of everything. No way would high ranking politicians and royals let him be in charge. There were probably a couple of hangers on of his involved (in fact one of them was jailed, and another one died before going to court), but they were people he could control. Like I said, I think he worked very hard on cultivating an image of being highly connected, and maybe he even believed it himself. But I think if it had actually been tested it would have fallen apart very quickly indeed.
Now, whether there was a group involving MPs and the royals is a different matter, but if so I don't think Savile was involved in it.
In my opinion, I don't think the band knew....there are some very dark things that go on in this world behind closed doors and some people are very good at hiding itRegarding Ian Watkins, wasn't the actual mothers involved with the abuse. So maybe it was a case of the other band members thinking it was them, not the children who were taking part. (I don't want to write the proper words because it's so vile)
It's honestly such a horrific act you'd want to convince yourself it wasn't true.
I was a massive LostProphets fan and i can’t listen to them anymore it just feels wrong.Regarding Ian Watkins, wasn't the actual mothers involved with the abuse. So maybe it was a case of the other band members thinking it was them, not the children who were taking part. (I don't want to write the proper words because it's so vile)
It's honestly such a horrific act you'd want to convince yourself it wasn't true.
I agree. Him liking younger fans was widely rumoured even before his arrest.I think the band may have had an idea of him taking advantage of younger fans but i doubt they had any clue about his actual depravity.
Definitely a world class bullshitter, a casually dishonest person, who saw no reason not to lie to get what he wanted. Best insight into Saville's mind is the interview he did way back in 1991 with the Irish psychiatrist Antony Clare, who used to do this 'on the couch' series with various famous types. Clare was basically half mystified, half chilled by him.I agree he was an absolute bullshitter. I read Louis Theroux's book and it goes into detail about his time with him. Savile was saying he was going to get him loads of big interviews and make his career through his connections and influence etc. None of which ever materialised of course as he spent most of his time in Scarborough not doing a lot at all around that time. Just massive delusions of grandeur. I'm sure Louis regrets keeping in contact with him now but it went on quite a few years after that initial documentary
Back in the say I worked with a girl who was friends with the drummer from LP and apperantly the had no idea - they all knew he had drug problems and just assumed it was something to do with that etc. When he got arrested they got called in with their label and pretty much told they were dropped because of the allegations.This is such an interesting thread!
There’s a couple I’d like to throw into the mix:
Ian Watkins (LostProphets) - did the band really have no idea what he was up to? I used to be a LP fan back in the 00’s and I genuinely was shocked when what he had done all came out back in 2012/13 when he was arrested and then convicted. Apparently it was well know for years but I must have been living under a rock as I’d never heard the rumours about young girls/kids.
Caprice - she had 2 kids the same age, apparently 1 born by surrogate and 1 she conceived at exactly the same time, just sounds a bit strange.
The whole Nicole Kidman situation/relationship with her adopted kids and also Tom and Suri. What really happened between them all? Was it all Scientology?
I think someone else mentioned Anna Nicole Smith, always thought this was a tragic one with lots of questions marks over it.
Philip Scofield was seeing a young man working at ITV on the side and it was going to be exposed so that’s why he publicly came out when he did?
I know Brittany Murphy has come up a couple of times on this thread. Think I read something once that she had a problem with very severe monthly menstral bleeding and one theory was she had anemia due to heavy bleeding and therefore was weak and the whole mouldy home and subsequent respiratory illness was made worse.
Have watched all of Louis’ documentaries and read his books. In his more recent book he comes across as pretty narcissistic and self absorbed.Louis Theroux is a strange man himself, I've enjoyed his docs in the past, but there's something about him that seems quite dark. The programme and follow up wasn't comfortable viewing, I'm sure the book must be much worse in terms of details and underlying feelings.
I've always been a really big Louis Theroux fan but have started to notice this side of him more especially in the podcasts he's been doing over lockdown. I did think it was all a bit of a front or a joke though to hide his awkwardness.Have watched all of Louis’ documentaries and read his books. In his more recent book he comes across as pretty narcissistic and self absorbed.
re Saville- it comes across that Louis has been trying to absolve himself of guilt ever since the truth broke. That was clearly why he made the follow-up documentary and wrote so much about it in his book. Not sure he has quite achieved it though...
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