Ukraine Russia War #11

[Merpedy]

Has anyone seen this going around from some three weeks ago?

There are very few English articles about it so I’m not entirely sure how trustworthy the sources are. I’m only aware because one of my conspiracy nut cousins shared an article

Ukrainian former human rights chief admits promoting fake news to convince west to send more arms

morningstaronline.co.uk

Why Ukraine's human rights chief Lyudmila Denisova was fired – DW – 06/03/2022

The country's ombudsperson for human rights, Lyudmyla Denisova, is accused of having neglected her duties. But human rights activists have criticized her dismissal.

www.dw.com

 

[Doctor_Wibble]

Has anyone seen this going around from some three weeks ago?

There are very few English articles about it so I’m not entirely sure how trustworthy the sources are. I’m only aware because one of my conspiracy nut cousins shared an article

Ukrainian former human rights chief admits promoting fake news to convince west to send more arms

morningstaronline.co.uk

Why Ukraine's human rights chief Lyudmila Denisova was fired – DW – 06/03/2022

The country's ombudsperson for human rights, Lyudmyla Denisova, is accused of having neglected her duties. But human rights activists have criticized her dismissal.

www.dw.com

Some further reading is needed but a first glance tells us the deutsche welle article was originally in russian so some nuance may have been lost especially if it went via German as well, and there's a week between that and the morningstar one.

It seems she had been nominated by the people's front party (which didn't run in the 2019 elections?) not the governing party, the stuff she said is stated as unverified in one article and 'fake news' in the other, so there's more to look at there.

All TBC of course but noteworthy paragraphs do seem to suggest they had been trying to fire her for a while, being unimpressed with the way she had been operating.

 

[Warpaint]

Has there been any Western response to the progress Russia are making? Like further arming them or anything? I didn't used to think it but unfortunately I've got a feeling Russia will eventually get there if there isn't a massive response. But I'm sure the other countries have played the scenario out during war games

 

[Merpedy]

Has there been any Western response to the progress Russia are making? Like further arming them or anything? I didn't used to think it but unfortunately I've got a feeling Russia will eventually get there if there isn't a massive response. But I'm sure the other countries have played the scenario out during war games

I can't seem to find anything on further arms deliveries but there's a bunch of sanction talk again, though seemingly not directly as a response to the progress being made

UK to implement further punishing economic measures on Belarus

The UK government introduces new sanctions on Belarus as the Lukashenko regime continues to actively facilitate Putin’s illegal invasion of Ukraine.

www.gov.uk

Canada also introduced further sanctions on the 27th apparently

There was talk of sanctioning Russian gold at the G7 but it doesn't seem to have been announced (?) but is likely to be part of further sanctions, probably included with the 7th package of sanctions by the EU

EU Looking to Ban Russian Gold in New Sanctions Package

The European Union is working on new sanctions to target Russian gold, matching a move by the Group of Seven nations aimed at further choking off Moscow’s revenue sources, according to people familiar with the matter.

www.bloomberg.com

On the issue of sanctions regarding Russia though:


From some very very light reading it does seem that there are some restrictions against them but because they're used for gas payments or something connected to gas they're allowed to function

Dozens of Russian weapons tycoons have faced no Western sanctions

A Reuters examination of companies, executives and investors underpinning Russia's defense sector shows a sizable number of players have yet to pay a price.

www.reuters.com

There generally seems to be a bit of discussion about how effective sanctions have been

There was also a conference on the recovery of Ukraine once the war is over:

Ukraine lays out $750bn ‘recovery plan’ for postwar future

Volodymyr Zelenskiy says process of recovery will allow his country to deepen its links with Europe

www.theguardian.com

Not sure how trustworthy this is, purely because I really dislike the source and I couldn't find anything better, but throwing it in just in case:

Iran, Russia and Turkey mull joint car production as sanctions bite Moscow

Iran's Auto Parts Manufacturers Association says there are some 800 million potential customers for locally produced vehicles

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Dooley Doo]

Unfortunately China is still buying from Russia. There are other countries as well but cannot remember.
It was mentioned a couple of weeks ago Russia had received $97 million for gas since the start of the war.

 

[Doctor_Wibble]

Unfortunately China is still buying from Russia. There are other countries as well but cannot remember.
It was mentioned a couple of weeks ago Russia had received $97 million for gas since the start of the war.

If you're meaning their total income that would be billion, not million...

A month or two ago it was around £800million per day for the combined total of European countries imports of Russian oil and gas.

For the 'power of siberia' pipeline to China, the combination of a recent TASS article and the back of a fag packet says it's probably about a billion per month (specified in USD but probably paid in roubles), assumption of having understood correctly.

Too many countries are too dependent on a single supplier and this is a massive collective failure, regardless of anything else.

 

[Dooley Doo]

If you're meaning their total income that would be billion, not million...

A month or two ago it was around £800million per day for the combined total of European countries imports of Russian oil and gas.

For the 'power of siberia' pipeline to China, the combination of a recent TASS article and the back of a fag packet says it's probably about a billion per month (specified in USD but probably paid in roubles), assumption of having understood correctly.

Too many countries are too dependent on a single supplier and this is a massive collective failure, regardless of anything else.

Oops I pressed the m instead of b.

Our side of Aus is lucky. A previous state Premier back in the day said 15% of gas had to be stockpiled for domestic use.

 

[monga]

 

[OnlyHereForTheLolz]

Not surprised. They are dropping like flies. Only wish somebody would take one for the team and drop Putin

 

[monga]

Not surprised. They are dropping like flies. Only wish somebody would take one for the team and drop Putin

I'm sure they're working on it .

 

[Doctor_Wibble]

Short write-up of where things are right now

Russia-Ukraine war: List of key events, day 133

As the Russia-Ukraine war enters its 133rd day, we take a look at the main developments.

www.aljazeera.com

The 'Diplomacy' part has a couple of typically absurd remarks from Lavrov which are just further confirmation that he would need to be gone at the same time as Putin.

 

[Merpedy]

 

[Doctor_Wibble]

A big step to commandeer whatever they want to supply the war effort, not sure any would dare to refuse a non compulsory request no matter how many times it said 'optional', 'vuntary' etc.

Russian parliament passes first vote on war economy measures

The Russian government will be able to compel businesses to supply the military with goods and make their employees work overtime under two laws to support Moscow's war in Ukraine that were approved in an initial vote in parliament on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

Obviously not called a war at home, as we know.

Russia-Ukraine latest: Poland scrambles fighter jets; Zelenskyy predicts where Russia will target next

Polish and allied aircraft were activated early this morning after Russia launched missile strikes on Ukraine, the Operational Command of the Polish armed forces said. Listen to a Daily podcast on how UK-made cars are getting into Russia as you scroll.

news.sky.com

FFS preview of 'live updating' pages link, actual relevant bit starts with

What Russians are being told about the invasion
"We have been waiting for you for so long" is the headline from Russian tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda, apparently a quote from the "liberated" people of Lysychansk as they emerged from their cellars, writes our Moscow correspondent Diana Magnay.

According to the Russian narrative, this is a liberation. A special military operation (don't mention the word "war") where preserving the lives of Russian troops and the protection of civilians is the top priority, per defence minister Sergei Shoigu today.
[...]

 

[VC10]

A big step to commandeer whatever they want to supply the war effort, not sure any would dare to refuse a non compulsory request no matter how many times it said 'optional', 'vuntary' etc.

Russian parliament passes first vote on war economy measures

The Russian government will be able to compel businesses to supply the military with goods and make their employees work overtime under two laws to support Moscow's war in Ukraine that were approved in an initial vote in parliament on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

Obviously not called a war at home, as we know.

Russia-Ukraine latest: Poland scrambles fighter jets; Zelenskyy predicts where Russia will target next

Polish and allied aircraft were activated early this morning after Russia launched missile strikes on Ukraine, the Operational Command of the Polish armed forces said. Listen to a Daily podcast on how UK-made cars are getting into Russia as you scroll.

news.sky.com

FFS preview of 'live updating' pages link, actual relevant bit starts with

A Dictatorship, laying down orders & the Law to its peoples to work & hand over supplies to the Dictatorship. Brainwashed & indoctrinated....the population have no choice. Sad,isn't it?

 

[kev1974]

How much longer do we have to have this chancer stealing the headlines.

You've had your five minutes of fame mate and then some, move along now.

Man who left partner for Ukrainian refugee plans to MARRY her

EXCLUSIVE: Tony Garnett said that he and Sofiia Karkadym also hope to have children together - if doctors can reverse the vasectomy he previously had.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Merpedy]

How much longer do we have to have this chancer stealing the headlines.

You've had your five minutes of fame mate and then some, move along now.

Man who left partner for Ukrainian refugee plans to MARRY her

EXCLUSIVE: Tony Garnett said that he and Sofiia Karkadym also hope to have children together - if doctors can reverse the vasectomy he previously had.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Some 90 day fiancé vibes there

 

[Merpedy]

I’ve seen an interesting conversation in one corner of the internet on how sooner or later some leader is going to say that they won’t be giving any more money and arms and how that will start a domino effect

So I’m wondering if/when a more average person, like you guys, would find that acceptable

It’s interesting given all this planning going in to rebuilding Ukraine when this is all over. I saw one of the suggestions flying around is using Russian money that’s been confiscated to pay for it, but I wonder if countries might still donate money. Apparently they’ve made a plan of who would be responsible for rebuilding the different cities

 

[monga]

 

[Purrrrrrr]

Got to love this bit

"I can’t be a man without looking after my woman"

Bet his wife laughed as well

 

[OnlyHereForTheLolz]

I’ve seen an interesting conversation in one corner of the internet on how sooner or later some leader is going to say that they won’t be giving any more money and arms and how that will start a domino effect

So I’m wondering if/when a more average person, like you guys, would find that acceptable

It’s interesting given all this planning going in to rebuilding Ukraine when this is all over. I saw one of the suggestions flying around is using Russian money that’s been confiscated to pay for it, but I wonder if countries might still donate money. Apparently they’ve made a plan of who would be responsible for rebuilding the different cities

My opinion is that we should escalate. Letting Russia take Ukraine is a slippery slope to the rest of Europe