I wouldn't describe myself as a RF sugar but I do support them. I don't however support Andrew in the slightest. Guilty or not he put TRF in such a dreadful position he needs to just disappear. He also should not have been anywhere near young girls of any age. He knew what Epstein was up to and should have dropped him like a stone. He's an arrogant, disgusting twat.Interesting the Royal Family sugars cling onto Andrew's alleged innocence without clarifying why his mam bailed him out (to the tune of millions) in that case.
To clarify I don't like either of the Sussexes
Even Charles and Michael Fawcett have been taking backhanders for a while.The funny thing is that most of the things they claim the Sussexes did (bully staff, take bankhanders/trade on their titles) Andrew is well known to have done too - so even without the Epstein stuff he was hardly a golden boy.
Personally I’m of the belief that you can think all three of them are twats and have done wrong, without thinking they are anywhere near the same level as each other.
I actually think it shows that historically, the RF have absolutely no idea how to handle the whole ‘spare’ issue. They are simultaneously cosseted, ignored and woefully under prepared should they ever need to take on the role of heir.Andrew and Harry remind me of one another, because they are both just shitty people.
Andrew benefitted more because he was Mummy's favorite who would sweep anything under the rug, not just his Epstein associations but his behavior as 'trade envoy' which was just more than a wee bit corrupt.
I don’t think they thought they had the best people. I’m sure I read they would have ideas and want it executed straight away, so when advisors would say it’s going to take time or pick holes in the idea they’d get annoyed.Oh honestly I say this all the time but the worst thing Harry has ever done for himself was leave the well oiled PR team of the palace because it has revealed the real him. I don’t think he has changed or Meghan has changed him, this is who he has always been but the palace PR around him was so good none of us ever knew. I’ve no doubt it’s the same for most if not all of them.
You also look at all the staff they’ve gone through since they left and the fact that none of their projects have had much success (40X40 anyone?) apart from the ones that are about trashing the royals and revealing the gossip of course -I genuinely don’t think he realised he had access to the very best people and help whilst he was a royal and could effectively do anything at the click of his fingers, now he’s having to actually put the work in or find people who can do it for him
I guess historically a good prepared spare was a massive problem. You know, most wouldn’t put their sword down to support an idiotic, ill prepared, pompous usurper. Spares, if you didn’t actually need them, have always been a problem. On a pure rational level it would be the best to have at least three spares and then look who would be the best candidate and train them further. You have to get rid of male and primogeniture for spares though. Anne or Edward would be a great spares. Hard working, loyal and supportive. They would be a good choice to step up if needed and a good adviser/regent in case the heir would be under age.I actually think it shows that historically, the RF have absolutely no idea how to handle the whole ‘spare’ issue. They are simultaneously cosseted, ignored and woefully under prepared should they ever need to take on the role of heir.
George V was the spare who stepped up into his brother’s shoes so much he even married his fiancée. Edward VIII - according to my Gran- was obviously never going to produce an heir even without the Wallis Simpson situation and George VI has to be the most underprepared person ever to become monarch (which given his father’s situation seemed a bit happy go lucky) … but then, the Queen Mother saw William to instruct him on statescraft without Harry, even after Seeing how being an under prepared monarch affected her husband. They want the spare, but they don’t want to make eye contact with the idea they might actually be needed so they are kept in a kind of ‘break glass in case of emergency’ limbo. What you actually end up with is someone who has reached early 20’s or even 30’s with no defined role who then finds that even taken away and then having to reset. I actually wonder if the Queen was so sympathetic to Andrew (and even Harry to some extent) because she saw how the whole situation had affected her own sister and she was still trying to make amends?
I hope if nothing else at all comes out of the sorry mess that is Andrew and Harry, it leads to a change in how the heirs siblings are treated and Charlotte and Louis given the freedom to follow their own star rather than just hang about waiting to become an auntie and uncle.
To be fair, I think Anne and Edward look like good spares purely because they haven’t been spares … or in the case of Anne was only 10 when she was demoted so I don’t think it had really registered (and being a girl added another <shrug> level to it). I think it really kicks in around mid-teens … and has probably been made worse because both Charles and William were 30+ when they had their heir, which meant their own spare was pretty well established and used to it.I guess historically a good prepared spare was a massive problem. You know, most wouldn’t put their sword down to support an idiotic, ill prepared, pompous usurper. Spares, if you didn’t actually need them, have always been a problem. On a pure rational level it would be the best to have at least three spares and then look who would be the best candidate and train them further. You have to get rid of male and primogeniture for spares though. Anne or Edward would be a great spares. Hard working, loyal and supportive. They would be a good choice to step up if needed and a good adviser/regent in case the heir would be under age.
I can imagine Charles and Wiliam, in a boozy moment, regret that you can’t just put your spare in a convent nowadays. Or on a ship to Australia for that matter.
Yes I have felt this for some time. They probably feel they are dedicated but people judge them by what they are seen to be doing. They aren’t being seen to be doing a lot. Expectations are low because Queen Elizabeth did less in her later years but I do think if the press decide to go after them, they will have plenty of material.Private Eye court circular
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Bloody ridiculous that they hardly do any work.Private Eye court circular
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Mail Online are very excited that it was 'nearly' 26 years to the day Diana and Dodi diedMohamed Al Fayed has died.
They would be. Never liked the man but always felt some sympathy for him losing his son in such a public way but always so overshadowed. He could never let go of the conspiracy theories.Mail Online are very excited that it was 'nearly' 26 years to the day Diana and Dodi died
Agreed I always felt for him for that.They would be. Never liked the man but always felt some sympathy for him losing his son in such a public way but always so overshadowed. He could never let go of the conspiracy theories.
Their last official duty being the Wimbledon final and the US open is already into the third round is embarrassing. No adult needs that much time off.Private Eye court circular
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And Charles used to be so very active, I do think he and Camilla are active (she not as much as him but she's got a plethora of health problems so whatever, I do love her push for reading and her work with domestic violence charities and orgs) - but they just don't garner that kind of media attention. He does a lot more boring king stuff rather than his public engagements and charitable purposes understandably but it's a meteoric shift for him. I have always been impressed by what he's done, and his and anne's work ethic in particular. Wish Camilla's work with women's issues got the attention it deserves. Same as Sophie or Anne when they're out and about.Yes I have felt this for some time. They probably feel they are dedicated but people judge them by what they are seen to be doing. They aren’t being seen to be doing a lot. Expectations are low because Queen Elizabeth did less in her later years but I do think if the press decide to go after them, they will have plenty of material.
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