How do they pay all their bills? Where do they get the money from? Who pays for 3 full households of staff? Is William paying the bills out of his inheritance, or is The Queen funding him? Or Prince Charles? Where does The Queen get her money from? Are the tenants in Cornwall happy that their cash is going to fund William and Kate working school hours ( but not) and 3 full households of staff as well as Charles' enormous staff, bigger than The Queens? If they are all funded through the sovereign grant, then it's too high. The Crown Estates are shady as it is. They belong to the country when we have to pay for renovations but belong to the Crown when there is any benefit to be gained from them. And why is the taxpayer paying for Andrew? Unless its because he is up to his eyeballs in Epsteins operation and The Queen wants to keep him away from the FBI or anyone who wants to keep him quiet. In which case we are collectively paying to protect an extremely unsavoury character ( as if we didn't know that already)
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Inheritance for their private properties as many millions of others benefit from Inheritances on private estates and that is no business of anyone else's. Tenants in the Duchy of Cornwall get well below market rate rents so get a damn good deal at present. The sovereign grants ensures taxpayers don't have to directly pay for the Royal household, Crown residences or Royal visits etc. The sovereign grant does not pay for Andrew as he no longer does royal duties and the Queen paid for his legal bills from her private funds
I think Cambridge uni had a similar kind of system. My boyfriend had a friend at Cambridge who was accepted to study Maths with an EE offer! Im not sure what grades he actually got, but he was pretty impressive at Maths! Maybe it was a more unofficial kind of system?
Money and finance is such a complicated area. As is the idea of inherited wealth!
At the recent Faberge exhibition, in the V & A in London, almost 75% of the exhibits were from the Royal collection! (Ok so maybe it was a small exhibition, and as it was in London, it was local) but thats a ridiculous amount of wealth for one person. Most of the exhibits were gifted to members of the royal family at various times, as it was seen as an acceptable gift. And I think some of the Faberge eggs were sent to the UK for safekeeping at the time of the Russian revolution.
The art works the RF now own are extremely valuable in of themselves. They could sell one or two off a year, and earn millions annually! And I know how much they own from looking at Art exhibitions in london! Da vinci drawings.....tick.....Rembrandts, Titians etc...you name it, they own it!
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Andrews security isn't paid by The Qyeen though. Its coming out of the Met Police budget, when they don't have resources to investigate crime.
I wonder if the decision to protect Andrew has been made based on him maybe being a target after all the Epstein revelations. I wonder if there is evidence he could be subject to an attack of some sort.
I disagree. Those private accounts often pick up the same story lines they read in the “press”- obviously on their online outlets. They might trash them further but most of that is based on stuff they picked up from traditional outlets before. example- the story line that she can’t dress appropriately started with “she doesn’t dress per royal protocol”. Everything that’s “known” about it comes from “biographies” or the classic press. It snowballed from there to “she doesn’t care”, “she does it in purpose”, “she always dresses bad (wrong fit/style)”.
I don’t count the crazy conspiracy theory account (hazing/moon bump/doll/Doria’s jail stint/world conspiracy to destroy the RF….). That’s a level of craziness that has found an outlet there and people might read it for the entertainment factor but if (general) you think those are in anyway good sources I worry for you.
I would say though, that some accounts have actually achieved an interesting balance between privately run but good reporting, maybe even better than the classic sources. They are more balanced. Are obviously very subjective but still give a good starting point to also think in another direction. But they are also dependent on classic press sources. Be it for quotes, information or photos.
All in all the classic press as less direct power because everyone can put out everything for people to find. But they are still the main source about what the royals do and have still a big impact in how the public opinion forms. While they are not the ones writing the hateful and sometimes racist and abusive stuff about H&M, they definitely laid the groundwork for the negative angle. And while that’s just how the reporting cycle for public personas works (and I would argue the royal sphere takes it to an extreme) it’s krass how much this was taken on and build up outside the regular press.
I actually do think there is wider question about inheritance tax and whether the way it’s structured is fair when younger people have to pay ludicrous amount for university, schools are underfunded etc. I can see that the head of state needs some form of finance. But I do question (with the economic situation the way it is) why we’re paying for one family to be able to afford several houses and that’s per generation. Everyone is making economies, are we now paying too much for them? It’s a fair question. Particularly in light of the two disastrous Caribbean tours, do the royal family still provide value for money? Idk if they are a good asset abroad anymore (it would appear that they are T on some countries). Why aren’t they doing more at home? I used to be fairly ambivalent about them (although I loved the gossip/soap opera element of their existence). Now they seem increasingly to me to represent a life of privilege and I really struggle to understand why we need them (or so many of them). I think they would help themselves a lot if they downsized massively, the ones that were left did more (a lot more) and they got rid of the titles and all of the flummery (bowing, curtsying etc). They might start to seem more part of modern life that way. I just feel they haven’t accepted or understood the realities of modern life. I don’t necessarily expect them to share the realities but I think they aren’t doing any of the right things to show they can be part of modern life.
Sorry I hadn’t realised I felt so strongly about all this! To think I just started enjoying this thread for the gossip. Now I am question the whole structure of the royal family and their role!
I think it’s fair to have a close look at the Sovereign Grant and how this money gets distributed and if it could be cut back, even with the massive renovations it’s providing for (so cutting back in the personal areas). But why should tenants have any say in how their landlord uses their rent? It’s his income, he may spend it as he pleases. And I agree that whatever money PA recieves should come from HMTQ income from Lancashire or some other private investments she surely has. And I don’t care if there are vague threats. He is a private citizen now and I highly doubt other private citizens get this amount of protection for similar actions, even if reported publicly on. It’s not that easy to get protection. Every real victim of stalking or threatening/abusive (ex) partners cab tell the tale.
The Met police don't even bother to investigate most burglaries now, the idea the Special Branch budget for including Andrew who as a son of the monarch will still always be a potential terrorist target whether doing royal duties or not would make any difference is not realistic
Inheritance tax is one of the most unpopular taxes there is, raising it further or lowering the threshold would not go down well. The Crown Estate would still have to pay to maintain and refurbished Crown Estate Properties whether the Royals lived in them or not as they effectively belong to the nation.
The Royal family are one of our biggest assets abroad, globally recognised and in the Caribbean they still drew large crowds despite the negative press here. You can't have a royal family without titles by definition.
How fair is inheritance tax?
How fair or unfair do you think the following types of taxation are? Inheritance tax
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That's Prince Harry's argument isn't it?
I don't think Andrew should have protection. It's not always about the cost. It's also about the aesthetic. He is not a working Royal, like Harry and should therefore pay his own protection.
investigate crime.
The Met police don't even bother to investigate most burglaries now, the idea the Special Branch budget for including Andrew who as a son of the monarch will still always be a potential terrorist target whether doing royal duties or not would make any difference is not realistic
The Met police claim they dont have the resources or manpower, yet they can find resources for round the clock protection for Andrew, who lives in the same place as his mother and spends his days driving and riding round the Windsor Estate. And yes, that was Harry's argument for security too. Andrew is more at risk from the people he decided to consort with and all his shady undertakings.
The Met police don't even bother to investigate most burglaries now, the idea the Special Branch budget for including Andrew who as a son of the monarch will still always be a potential terrorist target whether doing royal duties or not would make any difference is not realistic
The Met police claim they dont have the resources or manpower, yet they can find resources for round the clock protection for Andrew, who lives in the same place as his mother and spends his days driving and riding round the Windsor Estate. And yes, that was Harry's argument for security too. Andrew is more at risk from the people he decided to consort with and all his shady undertakings.
I do think Harry is going to realise he is surplus to requirements soon.
Him 'popping' into Meghan's podcast was a bit desperate.
Him 'popping' into Meghan's podcast was a bit desperate.
The whole podcast was desperate!
He's been surplus to requirements since George was born.
are we to believe Lady Colin when she quoted meghan saying they are "only one plane crash away from the throne"
probably not
While I agree that he shouldn’t get protection just because- I don’t think this argument works because I think the people doing protection are not the same personal that investigates? I don’t know the UK specifics but don’t you have different departments for different jobs? Investigators wouldn’t do street patrolling as well for example.
They're all cops under the specialisms, all trained the same to start with. In my area it was common for a detective to be moved back to uniform and area policing for a while on promotion and then back to a detective once they had some experience at the higher rank. I don't know what it is now with the single national force.
There is no single national force in the UK.
There are things like the National Crime Agency and National College of Policing but it still very much individual forces policing individual areas.
Nope as it was Wallis Simpson who said that and she's been dead for years
She also said that PP said of Meghan that 'one steps out with an actress, not marry one' whereas in actual fact PP was quoted as saying that several decades ago.
That woman is a spoofer of the highest order.
I didn't watch this lady's videos on You Tube much but she had a lovely accent and sounded like a warm, supportive, kind person. Like the lady in this video says she's been through some horrible events in the recent past.
Just feels like we've lost yet another good person in this world. Feel oddly tearful.
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