How do you give a death penalty to someone who killed himself in the explosion.The Ariana Grande one, just using that as an example
How do you give a death penalty to someone who killed himself in the explosion.The Ariana Grande one, just using that as an example
There are others involved... it was just an example. I am only here for a light hearted talk.How do you give a death penalty to someone who killed himself in the explosion.
I think you need to read the court reports about this case before you make a comment like that. He was grooming women online and asking them to grape their own children on camera and then send him the videos. He absolutely is a danger to children wether he can physically touch them or not.The important thing about someone like Ian Watkins (don’t know why on Earth we’re talking about him Tbf) is that he is kept away from children for life. There is no justification for killing him if he can’t do further harm.
I didn’t ask what Lee Rigby’s killers did, I asked what if they were groomed or mentally ill?Lee Rigby's murderers killed in cold blood and hate.
I know there are cases, one recently I saw on TikTok actually.. a girl spoke of her Grandma, who murdered her own mother. And that case for example, I wouldn't agree with it. Also for the likes of gangs I wouldn't agree with
And now he is jail with no possible chance of release. The death penalty costs far more than what a prison sentence does. The budget of the prison sentence would have to increase, meaning our taxes would have to go up.I think you need to read the court reports about this case before you make a comment like that. He was grooming women online and asking them to grape their own children on camera and then send him the videos. He absolutely is a danger to children wether he can physically touch them or not.
Read the full court reports regarding the Ian Watkins trial. What he did and what he groomed others to do to babies and children is absolutely bleeping abhorrent.Whilst I agree that Ian Watkins is an awful person and I've no doubt he will not be rehabilitated, he wasn't actually convicted of grape. This would bring everyone convicted of sexual assault/child porn/conspiracy to grape into the remit of the death penalty. I honestly am not defending him in the slightest, I just think it might get a bit icky.
I'm pro death penalty BTW but I also understand it would be very difficult to get it right and I'm not sure Ian Watkins is the best example to use. Although I think he should spend his life in prison. Can't believe they moved him back and forth between prisons to be nearer his mum too
Just my opinion and I'm not the best at explaining what I mean so I hope this makes some sense.
You can’t talk about murdering people light heartedlyThe Ariana Grande one, just using that as an example
Just want to add I am only here for a light hearted talk! I know there's a lot of 'ifs and buts' but I live in the UK and it will never happen here! Just wanan say that![]()
If someone like Watkins was given the lethal injection the day of conviction then no it doesn’t cost more than a prison sentence. As I’ve repeatedly said I’m not in favour of the American style of death row which keeps prisoners on the row for years at the tax payers expense.And now he is jail with no possible chance of release. The death penalty costs far more than what a prison sentence does.
It would not justify beheading someone because of your religion.I didn’t ask what Lee Rigby’s killers did, I asked what if they were groomed or mentally ill?
the evidence is still the same, the circumstances different. You appear to be saying you want them murdered regardless
But he’s still allowed access to computers/mobile phones etc in jail. It’s an absolute bleeping disgrace.And now he is jail with no possible chance of release. The death penalty costs far more than what a prison sentence does. The budget of the prison sentence would have to increase, meaning our taxes would have to go up.
So you're not wanting people to have a fair trial, where do you draw the line at that? Just kill everyone as soon as they are convicted? Where sobyou draw the line at someone who may be innocent. In America, 4% of people on Death Row are innocentIf someone like Watkins was given the lethal injection the day of conviction then no it doesn’t cost more than a prison sentence. As I’ve repeatedly said I’m not in favour of the American style of death row which keeps prisoners on the row for years at the tax payers expense.
No I think some people are getting their back up if you have a different opinion to them.You can’t talk about murdering people light heartedly
He had a fair trial. He was convicted. He was guilty.So you're not wanting people to have a fair trial, where do you draw the line at that? Just kill everyone as soon as they are convicted? Where sobyou draw the line at someone who may be innocent. In America, 4% of people on Death Row are innocent
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So change the prison system then. The Death Penalty is supposed to act as a deterrent, it doesnt, that's why America still has high crimes.But he’s still allowed access to computers/mobile phones etc in jail. It’s an absolute bleeping disgrace.
Please read my previous posts. As I’ve said, I’m talking about the most serious of offences. Where there is absolute proof of that persons guilt.So you're not wanting people to have a fair trial, where do you draw the line at that? Just kill everyone as soon as they are convicted? Where sobyou draw the line at someone who may be innocent. In America, 4% of people on Death Row are innocent
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So, we would have hung the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six, they had a fair trial, that would be okay with you, despite them being innocent. Where do you draw the line? Who do you kill? Do you only kill someone, then leave the others? Or kill all?He had a fair trial. He was convicted. He was guilty.
Yes because in America hardly anyone on death row is actually killed because of this stupid appeals process!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s not a deterrent because for the majority they are never killed, they spend 30 odd years living a comfortable life in jail with full access to TVs/internet/games consoles/food/healthcare etc etcSo change the prison system then. The Death Penalty is supposed to act as a deterrent, it doesnt, that's why America still has high crimes.
Pro's and con's of state execustion is hardly light hearted chat now is itThe Ariana Grande one, just using that as an example
Just want to add I am only here for a light hearted talk! I know there's a lot of 'ifs and buts' but I live in the UK and it will never happen here! Just wanan say that![]()