A THOUSAND TIMES THIS
Is that not one and the same though? Not giving him the option (because we as a state decide not to) is the same as a doctor refusing to treat him. Not matter how you word it, the outcome is the same.
Yes it is the same. Prisons have in house medics, for a prisoner to be diagnosed with COVID they must've already been seen by a doctor. Once that has happened, there is surely a duty of care between the doctor and the prisoner. To stop treating them after that point is not justifiable. Unless this poster is suggesting prisoners should receive no medical care at all, I don't see this whole 'just don't treat the COVID' thing working in practice.
Paedophilia is a great example of this, I keep seeing people saying paedophiles deserve the death penalty. But what do we do to pre-empt their offending? Nothing. It's a waiting game, once they offend it's dealt with legally - is that good enough? I don't think so, nor is it fair for the children they offend. I suggest a read of this great article: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/oct/16/how-germany-treats-paedophiles-before-they-offend
In hindsight yes.
I’ve missed that. Was it deleted?
No, I think it's still there. China has 46 crimes that are punishable by death, they go from treason to robbery.
I don't think anyone has said that about the elderly or disabled? I would hope that is not the case.
You mentioned it at 1.27pm. Was the intention not to show a country with the death penalty and a low crime rate?
How would you stop them once the laws are in place?
I didn't say they did.. But allowing the government to deny access to criminals is where it can start. Serial killers are psychopaths, they would fit in with the mentally disabled category.
The point is that if the government says prisoners ought not receive medical treatment where do you draw the line? We live in a society where Lord Sumption told a woman dying of terminal cancer to her face, on national television, that her life was less valuable and he felt that was a perfectly fine thing to do. If we start with prisoners where does it stop?
I think this is the point that's being made. You can't differentiate between members in society. Some criminals (who have committed the worst crimes) would also fall into the elderly or disabled category. Unfortunately you can't pick.
Oh right! I get you. Yes I know, with my opinions there are a lot of 'ifs and buts' I know that. It's a complicated subject.
I agree and think we’d be much better off trying to prevent these things happening in the first place. It’s one thing killing someone after they commit a crime but what use is that to the victim really, all a bit too little too late.
I do believe that as a society we breed monsters. More work does need to be put into preventing crimes but where would you even start? I also agree with people here who’ve said prison should be much tougher than it is.
Yes and people always scoff at this idea and think it's some kind of lefty 'let's help the criminals' concept but the whole point is that by preventing crime there are fewer victims. It's symbiotic. To be clear, I have zero sympathy for paedophiles who offend. However, I do think it must be a horrific life to know that's what you are, have the urge and nowhere to go for treatment or help for fear of being locked up even just by telling someone. How many children could be saved from paedophilia if we did something preventative for these people? I'm not suggesting it's easy, there's some research suggesting child dolls etc help and some suggesting that makes paedophiles crave 'the real thing' even more so I don't know what the answer is, but I definitely don't think the answer is 'wait and hope they don't offend'.
You're right, it's very complicated. It's also an emotive subject which provokes people to have very passionate views. Unfortunately sometimes the emotion and passion behind those views can make it difficult to see past what you think or feel (hence the mass debate on here this afternoon!)
Yes completely! We all have different opinions and the world would be boring if we didn't.
