The Death Penalty

[ProphecyGirl]

That’s interesting. Despite my interest in the criminal justice system and passion for left behind communities I would find it horrendous to voluntarily communicate with a high risk prisoner. On an individual basis, I could not care less about them.

The website you use is interesting. There are some on death row. You can also see their crimes and research them first before reaching out.
People who committed an armed robbery for example at the age of 18 and are now in their 40's

There is a guy on there you can write to and there was a documentary about him and the crimes he committed, he is on death row. You are not allowed to discuss the crime unless they mention it first

 

[totallytaz]

You mentioned it at 1.27pm. Was the intention not to show a country with the death penalty and a low crime rate?

You mentioned it at 1.27pm. Was the intention not to show a country with the death penalty and a low crime rate?

There’s my original quote. No where did I say the UK should be like China or China should be like the UK.

Interesting topic and I’m not particularly one way or the other.

Death penalty appears to work well as a deterrent in some countries such as China and Singapore which are incredibly safe, yet not so much in others.

I’d be for death penalty if it’s 100% certain that the person being executed committed said crime and even then the crime would have to be proven to be one of an act of unprovoked cruelty. I mean, I don’t think someone who kills someone who tried to kill their family deserves that.

About the death penalty being more expensive than a life sentence, are we talking the penalty itself or death row? Surely the penalty itself is not as costly.

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

Oh sorry I read that to mean it’s works well in China and singapore so positive

 

[totallytaz]

Oh sorry I read that to mean it’s works well in China and singapore so positive

These are safe countries that have it, then what did I go on to say?

Not necessarily saying the reason they’re safe is because of that.

 

[The King in the North]

To have the lethal injection, a single lethal injection in Texas costs around 16,000 dollars. That doesn't include their retrial, cost of lawyers, new court cases. The government would increase the taxes to pay for the increase in prison system budget.

 

[Kim Mild]

“your view is not important”

Get a grip. You are seriously sitting there trying to tell me that a man who RAPES A BABY should be considered human?

The most unspeakable acts on earth are done by humans .

 

[Lulu Goss]

Why not just reform the prison system. Decrimalise drugs and freeing up the spaces that are used for drug trafficking, fill those spaces with rapists, sex offenders and ponce. Remove their luxury items, make them work, produce goods and services in the prison while manufacturing items that the general public can use.

This is a good point.

 

[bolimepipi]

i don't know, i can't help but think that people who torture and murder animals don't deserve to live. sorry!

 

[BettyCrocker]

The most unspeakable acts on earth are done by humans .

.....well, yes. Obviously. I mean, it’s not labradoodles going around murdering or raping is it....?!!!

 

[emm]

Yes it is the same. Prisons have in house medics, for a prisoner to be diagnosed with COVID they must've already been seen by a doctor. Once that has happened, there is surely a duty of care between the doctor and the prisoner. To stop treating them after that point is not justifiable. Unless this poster is suggesting prisoners should receive no medical care at all, I don't see this whole 'just don't treat the COVID' thing working in practice.


Paedophilia is a great example of this, I keep seeing people saying paedophiles deserve the death penalty. But what do we do to pre-empt their offending? Nothing. It's a waiting game, once they offend it's dealt with legally - is that good enough? I don't think so, nor is it fair for the children they offend. I suggest a read of this great article: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/oct/16/how-germany-treats-paedophiles-before-they-offend

@BettyCrocker while accusing people of not being able to debate I note you haven't responded to my answer to you re appeals, I would be interested to know what you think.

yeah I totally agree with the paedophilia thing, I listened to a fascinating podcast, which I will try and find a link to, of an anonymous interview with a paedophile who had never acted on his impulses but was worried it might get too much and he would. He wanted to find some kind of help but there was really npthing available for him and he was worried about admitting his feelings for fear of being punished rather than helped

 

[Pinkblush]

Imagine giving the government free reign to decide who gets medical treatment, and not expecting them to use it on the old and disabled people.


No, I think it's still there. China has 46 crimes that are punishable by death, they go from treason to robbery.

I always find it quite odd when people use china as a punch back when it comes to topics like death penalty or human rights. China's population is huge compared to the middle east and usa yet china have a much lower death rate than both those places when it comes to executions. In iran and saudi most people do not even go through a court of law. They just get stoned to death in the street, or worse. Not having a go, just food for thought.

Also any info copied from wiki should be taken with a pinch of salt. They even have a disclaimer about reliability because it can be edited by anyone. That figure of 46 was probably 66 at some point.

 

[neo_wales]

For those advocating the death penalty think about spending fifty years of your life locked up, never enjoying simple things like a trip to Tesco or a pint down the pub with mate.

No matter how institutionalised they become they must suffer inside so I think fifty years of daily suffering is a far harsher punishment than state execution. As for deterrent, I believe if wrong doers clearly understood that life meant the rest of your life locked up with no hope of parole, no freedom unless new evidence shows up, then it would make a lot of people think twice.

Too many innocent people have died in the past, lets not add to the list.

 

[VomitCulture]

For those advocating the death penalty think about spending fifty years of your life locked up, never enjoying simple things like a trip to Tesco or a pint down the pub with mate.

No matter how institutionalised they become they must suffer inside so I think fifty years of daily suffering is a far harsher punishment than state execution. As for deterrent, I believe if wrong doers clearly understood that life meant the rest of your life locked up with no hope of parole, no freedom unless new evidence shows up, then it would make a lot of people think twice.

Too many innocent people have died in the past, lets not add to the list.

I don’t think life in prison in places like England is really suffering as prisons aren’t as bad elsewhere in the world. They have a roof over their head, heating, food, TVs, phone, internet, socialising, I don’t think that’s really suffering at all compared to the lives of victims of their crimes.

 

[emm]

I don’t think life in prison in places like England is really suffering as prisons aren’t as bad elsewhere in the world. They have a roof over their head, heating, food, TVs, phone, internet, socialising, I don’t think that’s really suffering at all compared to the lives of victims of their crimes.

I think you underestimate how awful it msut be to spend the majority of your day locked in one room unable to get fresh air etc, i am finding it bad enough in lockdown to just be in my flat most of the time even when I can go outside for walks etc

 

[VomitCulture]

I think you underestimate how awful it msut be to spend the majority of your day locked in one room unable to get fresh air etc, i am finding it bad enough in lockdown to just be in my flat most of the time even when I can go outside for walks etc

They’re not locked in one room the entire time though, prisons have communal and outdoor areas. It would be difficult at first but eventually if you were in for 50 years you’d get used to it and it would be your new normal.

 

[emm]

They’re not locked in one room the entire time though, prisons have communal and outdoor areas. It would be difficult at first but eventually if you were in for 50 years you’d get used to it and it would be your new normal.

yeh but it is veryy limited, you cannot decide when to outisde/communal areas and that is the whole point of prison, lack of choice/freedom

 

[bunnyboo]

It's completely pointless. It doesn't deter crime. It's cruel. And it costs WAY more than just locking somebody up and throwing away the key. Plus, there will be mistakes and innocent people could die for a crime they didn't commit. You can't 'undo' the death penalty, the only way to ensure no innocent person is put to death is to not have the death penalty at all. End of.

The only time I think the death penalty is/was acceptable is in cases of crimes against humanity, such as the Nuremberg trials for Nazis. In that context, the death penalty is more of a symbolic act that a regime/ideology (in this example, the Third Reich) must be eradicated and so too should be the people who orchestrated and maintained it.

 

[neo_wales]

I don’t think life in prison in places like England is really suffering as prisons aren’t as bad elsewhere in the world. They have a roof over their head, heating, food, TVs, phone, internet, socialising, I don’t think that’s really suffering at all compared to the lives of victims of their crimes.

You need to sit back and think about your answer.

My wife has spent over forty years working in mental health. She had a very successful career and retired only to be called back last March because the increase in demands on the mental health services has skyrocketed. Remember, most of these people are new to having mental health issues bought about by covid and lockdown restrictions but...people can still put on a mask and go shopping, they go to bed when they want and get up when they want, wear the clothes they want, eat food they have control of when they want, can get up in the middle of the night and watch TV, they can zoom friends and family et al and yet tens of thousands are suffering.

Now imagine being locked up everyday for the rest of your life and tell me you won't suffer. No matter how 'cushy' you think prison life is, every prisoner has lost control of their lives and how they live it. To me it seems a whole life sentence is far harsher than executing them IMHO.

 

[Piff paff puff]

I would support the death penalty. When someone has committed horrific crimes so bad they're jailed without chance of parole then for the sake of everyone, best to exterminate.

 

[VomitCulture]

You need to sit back and think about your answer.

My wife has spent over forty years working in mental health. She had a very successful career and retired only to be called back last March because the increase in demands on the mental health services has skyrocketed. Remember, most of these people are new to having mental health issues bought about by covid and lockdown restrictions but...people can still put on a mask and go shopping, they go to bed when they want and get up when they want, wear the clothes they want, eat food they have control of when they want, can get up in the middle of the night and watch TV, they can zoom friends and family et al and yet tens of thousands are suffering.

Now imagine being locked up everyday for the rest of your life and tell me you won't suffer. No matter how 'cushy' you think prison life is, every prisoner has lost control of their lives and how they live it. To me it seems a whole life sentence is far harsher than executing them IMHO.

I stand by what I said, I don’t think it’s suffering compared to how the victims of their crimes have suffered.