A good few years ago I discovered HG Tudor & also Sam Vaknin in an attempt to educate myself as to what had happened to me being conned by a narc. I thought I was a savvy, astute person but by god when you get ensnared with a narc they are so good at messing with your head after a lifetime of practice that you do not stand a chance.
I think this is why I became so angry at the concept that the plans for the Patron Days denouement were being openly talked about here & that it was because it was thought that was to be 'fair' to Fanny. Screaming at the screen are you having a laugh? Being fair to a narc like Fanny?
There are no depths too low for them, no lies too big for them, no smears too dirty for them, no stunts too outrageous for them. You absolutely cannot trust anything that comes out of their mouths.
I ranged between feeling sorry for the narc that their life was so bleak - never truly loving anyone & feeling empty inside & the only way to fill it up was by having adoration from others. And then I remembered. They know this about themselves. They know they use & abuse people. They do it because they can & I don't use the word lightly - they are evil. Once you see the signs you identify others you have known. For me a former boss & a family member as well. Machiavellian in their lying. Mistrustful of everyone. End justifies the means. People who are stupid enough to fall for their lies deserve all they get.
Whilst I agree with the majority of what you have stated, having experienced past N/P romantic partners, family members, work colleagues throughout my long life to date. And, before you ask, yes I have had therapy regarding it all. PLUS, through that therapy and education of the "type" am now so much more aware of their traits and characteristics etc. NCEA is the only way forward and through to the other side.
Having said that, I am still very much intrigued by N/Ps, especially in the media/YT. Obviously, not in my real life!
IMHO, HG Tudor is an entirely different level of arrogant, self confessed N/P to Sam Vaknin. Just 100% off the scale AND, at least Sam Vaknin personally exposed himself as to who he is in real life, unlike HG Tudor, who is still hiding behind his mask - I wonder why? Coward springs to my mind
BUT, your last sentence especially struck a cord with me :
People who are stupid enough to fall for their lies deserve all they get.
That is such a generalised statement and simply so absolutely unfair to the N/P world "unaware" imho.
This interview was absolutely on the mark. I am from a family of narcissists. It’s developed through the generations possibly due to our ethnicity. I’ve spent years trying to figure all this out, reading books, listening to podcasts and YouTube videos. I was brought up with the understanding that we were just better than other people, we had money and successful businesses but other than that as I grew up and got out in the world, I realized it was all bullshit. I also know that I’m drawn to narcs because I'm used to them. Against my families best wishes I took another path in life, that of a caretaker. They literally to this day don’t understand why I would want to be a nurse but, to the public they portray me as the best nurse ever. lol They do very little for the community but, when they do it’s has to make a big splash. There is something messed up when you are told that you are spectacular no matter your actions. I believe Fanny was raised in that environment. People and things were for her use. There are no consequences because there is no real care. Their good fortune is a given, whether earned or not.
You are not alone
@Kalessi, me too, unfortunately!
My mantra these days is always, "actions speak far louder than any words".
And, I mean, personal actions rather than paying someone else to do so, too.
And, if ever donating to any charitable cause, it is not necessary to shout from the rooftops for praise etc in having done so either.
Fortunately, we do all eventually live and learn.