The Archie Battersbee case #2

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She's one of those people who lives for a "fight" of any kind. This with Archie has been a gift from above for someone like her. She'll be suing the hospital when he's finally allowed to rest in peace and then trying to bring legislation in so that parents can over ride Doctors decisions in hospitals :rolleyes:
I don't mean that to sound bitchy, but I've met people like her in real life, and it's a question of who can I argue with today............
 
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I can't remember where the ADHD thing came from, possibly way back before this blew up and she deleted a lot of stuff on FB, but I don't remember any of the court documents actually ever referring to Archie having an ADHD diagnosis, did they?
 
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A lot of accusations from the army that the Judge is a child killer.

These are the same people who think Covid is a conspiracy and that the Government monitor you through 5G. I recall Archie’s tik tok has conspiracy stuff on it that he picked up from his mum.
One thing that stood out for me was the fact Archie would always phone his mum to make sure she was ok, they spent all their time together and he didn’t want to leave her (I think the Judge called him her “chevalier”.) I understand there are a lot of child carers in Britain and I don’t know much at all about Hollie’s (and nothing about any health conditions she may have). But something made him feel a strong need to protect her, which is a lot for a 12-year-old
 
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One thing that stood out for me was the fact Archie would always phone his mum to make sure she was ok, they spent all their time together and he didn’t want to leave her (I think the Judge called him her “chevalier”.) I understand there are a lot of child carers in Britain and I don’t know much at all about Hollie’s (and nothing about any health conditions she may have). But something made him feel a strong need to protect her, which is a lot for a 12-year-old
The cynic in me just saw that as emotive fuel to keep her campaign going. She constantly says how he wouldn't want to leave her, that he would want to stay on the machines because he wouldn't want to leave his mum alone.

The sad fact is, he did try to leave her, in the most final way possible.
 
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The cynic in me just saw that as emotive fuel to keep her campaign going. She constantly says how he wouldn't want to leave her, that he would want to stay on the machines because he wouldn't want to leave his mum alone.

The sad fact is, he did try to leave her, in the most final way possible.
That would make sense. And if that is true, then the dad is fully on board because he said he’d called him a “mummy’s boy” teasingly.
 
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She's one of those people who lives for a "fight" of any kind. This with Archie has been a gift from above for someone like her. She'll be suing the hospital when he's finally allowed to rest in peace and then trying to bring legislation in so that parents can over ride Doctors decisions in hospitals :rolleyes:
I don't mean that to sound bitchy, but I've met people like her in real life, and it's a question of who can I argue with today............
WTAF. What a crass thing to say.
 
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She still seems completely deluded about the whole situation doesn't she? In the interview, she mentions how she would look after him, even if he's "disabled". He's obviously way beyond that.

She also still fixated on this neck lump, as if that's having some bearing on his current state. The Army have decided "that don't look right hun" so she's running with it. Strange how she never makes any comment on the fact that his brain and now his lungs are rotting.

She refers to "thousands" of people who have come out of a vegetative state, seemingly fuelled by the second-hand accounts she read on Facebook of someone's auntie waking up after being in a coma.

Oh and it's all down to the NHS wanting to save money. It's not about the money Hollie, it's about the resources. He's depriving a child with a chance of life from that bed, and from the specialist doctors, and the 2:1 nursing care. She also throws in the classic "I've paid into the system" argument, which obviously means that Archie should therefore be entitled to prolonged treatment.

Just massive, massive levels of delusion all round.
Ah, bless ya Hollie.
the amount you’ve ‘paid in’ would have barely got you the first 999 call-out and certainly not any subsequent treatment, scans, helicopter rides, experts …
 
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The cynic in me just saw that as emotive fuel to keep her campaign going. She constantly says how he wouldn't want to leave her, that he would want to stay on the machines because he wouldn't want to leave his mum alone.

The sad fact is, he did try to leave her, in the most final way possible.
I have 4 nephews and a brother with varies spectrum conditions, none of them think about consequences, they are all in their 40s one in their 50s brother in his 60s. The things they have done ( and still do) throughout their lives would turn you grey. You would think my brother hated us when you know how many times he set fire to the house with us all in bed he didn't he just didn't think of the consequences.

Now Archie might have known full well what he was doing and meaning to do it but you don't know that none of us do.
 
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I've just watched Hollie's latest interview on YouTube. She's got a new theory. Archie may have tripped and landed with the cord around his neck.

She also says the doctors state he's deteriorating. Hollie thinks the opposite and he's showing signs of improvement. Says the nurses are "brilliant" so it's obviously the doctors she's just got the beef with.

She also says the feeds were stopped but then she had "people in" who told them to restart the feeds. Archie has grown body hair. When she queried this, she was told it was due to malnutrition. She seemed surprised that the doctors admitted to this. She just doesn't get the actual reason why he's malnourished,
Yes, just like all those people who end up in A and E having tripped and fallen bum first onto a chair leg/light bulb/Coke can/TV remote.

She doesn’t get any of it unfortunately.
 
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Unfortunately the actions of this woman, and others like her, have real world consequences for everyone. The more low IQ people become emboldened and fight back against medics, the more likely medics are to become more and more cautious when treating patients. We already have a situation where death is a taboo subject and this is preventing sick and dying people from accessing appropriate care. People are directly suffering due to this new - life at all costs - orthodoxy. It does affect medics and it prevents them from being able to do their work effectively. I have both personally and professionally experienced this and one of the reasons why I left nursing.

I have also noticed a correlation between intelligence levels and the ability to comprehend death and deal with subsequent grief. The likes of the Facebook huns are typically very dim and live in a fake world of TV dramas, social media fakery, movies and petty personal dramas of their own making. As a consequence their only experience of death comes from the media where people make spectacular recoveries and hysterical outbursts wake comatose patients up. This is not the real world. This culture is harming people. It is harming society. We need to come to terms with the fact that people die, even youngsters, as unfortunate as that is.

I may appear unsympathetic, that isn't my intention, it's just that I have been involved in the bigger picture and my instinct as a former nurse is to limit suffering. I can't see things improving and cases like this just drive the wedge in deeper.
 
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I have 4 nephews and a brother with varies spectrum conditions, none of them think about consequences, they are all in their 40s one in their 50s brother in his 60s. The things they have done ( and still do) throughout their lives would turn you grey. You would think my brother hated us when you know how many times he set fire to the house with us all in bed he didn't he just didn't think of the consequences.

Now Archie might have known full well what he was doing and meaning to do it but you don't know that none of us do.

As I said, I'm a cynic.

Likewise, I very much doubt Archie "begged" to be christened. Same goes for the alleged chat about life support.

Both are far too convenient to be believable. The only person who can confirm it will never be able to respond, so we'll never know. But if furthers her cause and a lot of people do believe it. Personally I don't.
 
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I have 4 nephews and a brother with varies spectrum conditions, none of them think about consequences, they are all in their 40s one in their 50s brother in his 60s. The things they have done ( and still do) throughout their lives would turn you grey. You would think my brother hated us when you know how many times he set fire to the house with us all in bed he didn't he just didn't think of the consequences.

Now Archie might have known full well what he was doing and meaning to do it but you don't know that none of us do.
Agreed, especially with an ADHD diagnosis.

It's very possible that compared to other children his age he had issues regulating his emotions & with impulse control. Putting that together with teen hormones and some kind of minor trigger like being told off, it's easy to see how he could make a split second decision without understanding what it actually means.
 
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As I said, I'm a cynic.

Likewise, I very much doubt Archie "begged" to be christened. Same goes for the alleged chat about life support.

Both are far too convenient to be believable. The only person who can confirm it will never be able to respond, so we'll never know. But if furthers her cause and a lot of people do believe it. Personally I don't.
I don't believe those either.
 
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Unfortunately the actions of this woman, and others like her, have real world consequences for everyone. The more low IQ people become emboldened and fight back against medics, the more likely medics are to become more and more cautious when treating patients. We already have a situation where death is a taboo subject and this is preventing sick and dying people from accessing appropriate care. People are directly suffering due to this new - life at all costs - orthodoxy. It does affect medics and it prevents them from being able to do their work effectively. I have both personally and professionally experienced this and one of the reasons why I left nursing.

I have also noticed a correlation between intelligence levels and the ability to comprehend death and deal with subsequent grief. The likes of the Facebook huns are typically very dim and live in a fake world of TV dramas, social media fakery, movies and petty personal dramas of their own making. As a consequence their only experience of death comes from the media where people make spectacular recoveries and hysterical outbursts wake comatose patients up. This is not the real world. This culture is harming people. It is harming society. We need to come to terms with the fact that people die, even youngsters, as unfortunate as that is.

I may appear unsympathetic, that isn't my intention, it's just that I have been involved in the bigger picture and my instinct as a former nurse is to limit suffering. I can't see things improving and cases like this just drive the wedge in deeper.
Critical thinking is severely lacking in this country. It’s far too easy to create echo chambers now that only support your very specific views. You’re quite right.
 
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It just makes me uncomfortable that from some people (not from this thread) there's this absolute denial that he could've committed suicide because he was a happy successful boy and Hollie was a great mum. And that a lot of their arguments about fighting for his right to stay on a ventilator are because it must have been a tragic accident - it shouldn't make a jot of difference if it was self inflicted but I guess CC might not see it that way..

Children who appear happy can struggle with their mental health, often it doesn't matter how amazing the family enviroment is too.

I wish the army would put their considerable efforts into raising awareness of child suicide, and direct all this outrage into our CAMH service which is not fit for purpose.
 
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Toy penguin was my all time favourite 😬
We once had a nine and a half inch carrot 🥕 😳 had to go to theatre, and they sent the carrot back to the ward in a plastic bag. I don't know whether the patient took it home with them.
 
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We once had a nine and a half inch carrot 🥕 😳 had to go to theatre, and they sent the carrot back to the ward in a plastic bag. I don't know whether the patient took it home with them.
I didn't attempt any heroics because it had its wings on a 45 degree angle which meant it went in easy enough but needed surgery to come out. 😂😂😂.

Another thread another time maybe?
 
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