Taylor Swift #8 This thread is about you. You know who you are. I love you.

[emerald]

On a purely superficial level Matty is such a downgrade. No offense to her but all I see is Denise Welch but a man.

 

[CheshireTea]

I can’t imagine having Denise Welsh as my mother in law… just the thought of it is terrifying She’ll dine out on it for an eternity too, unbearable

 

[grannypants]

I just wish she would be single. This whole thing is really disappointing and what message is she giving to her young fans? If you come out of a six year relationship you need to immediately jump into another one? Why is she so terrified of being on her own? She’s playing into the ‘man eater’ narrative that has plagued her whole career.

 

[Yupyupyup]

Leaving my 6 year relationship was the best thing I ever did. So I do believe that she's genuinely happy cos that's what it took for me to be happy. And I'm just a normal person without loads of money and fame.

I’ve been in a similar situation but I didn’t shout from the roof tops how happy I was publicly a few months later because I knew it was a dick move (and I had nothing to prove). It’s definitely a shady move on her part to say what she did to a stadium full of people and in my eyes really comes across as a scorned person who got dumped.

 

[QueenBW]

Is there anyone other than the blind hardcore Swifties that actually believes You're Losing Me is a Midnights vault track? It's so obviously written in the past two months max. It probably does include things she felt and thought months ago, but no way was it written then. It's got the rawness of heartbreak and while it's supposed to be about that point pre-breakup where you're not yet broken up but headed there, she made it sound too final. Like she knew they'd break up, "my heart won't start anymore for you". Yet when tour started she was still singing Invisible String and by most accounts, she thought it was a break. And then the way she's acting now? Really not the way someone who's out of a breakup they'd decided on long ago acts.

i still think she was dumped and this, like the Ice Spice thing, is her way to control the narrative. She always has to win and have the last word.

I wonder if she thinks that therapy would ruin her gift. Because Blondie needs therapy. She does seem to realize or at least acknowledge some of her negative patterns but it's like only when she's happy and stable can she actually see them but still not do anything to break out from the patterns. Otherwise she's like, sure I'm a pathological people pleaser but I'm also the best thing at this party. Her ego comes swinging.
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Also, really hope that by July she's done with the Karma Remix. Cause I'd be upset if she does that instead of OG Karma. The remix is just bad.

 

[QueenBW]

Gotta love The Onion.

 

[iieee]

Surely one of her boyfriends would have pointed out by now that gashes has another meaning this side of the atlantic

 

[QueenBW]

I do feel a bit sorry for Joe because it is heart wrenching watching someone you spent over half a decade with bounce to someone else so quickly but what did he expect exactly? He saw how fast she jumped from Calvin, to Tom, to him. Did he think he had changed her?

None of those relationships lasted 6+ years though. I'd have thought it would be different, too. Particularly considering she billed Joe as the forever love and wrote things like she wakes up screaming from dreaming one day she'd watch as he was leaving. I also would have expected a bit more reflection time before the train to Bang Greasy Band Leaders left the station. But did not factor in that Tay has to prove all she does is win, win, win no matter what

 

[slugella]

Yeah I said it was gross and completely not funny but my point is just that you can’t sum someone up as a person by a one hour podcast where they said stupid shit. The podcast is supposed to be satire, it’s just not a funny one. Taylor knows him as a whole person, not just a Twitter thread which other people are basing their whole assumptions on, that’s why it’s ridiculous people are writing letters to her, she literally knows him

I'm a bit baffled by the defence tbh. I saw you said it was gross and not funny, however following that with the "but its the format of the podcast" sounds like an excuse for what he said. He has said very hurtful things and letting people hide behind the satire excuse is just pretty grim tbh.

And yeah Taylor knows him but plenty of racist and awful people still have relationships, so her dating him doesn't necessarily mean the accusations are unfounded. I would be put right off someone if they made the comments he has.

A lot of people seem to be saying they're so shocked she's with him when she is so passionate about equality etc. I wouldn't say Taylor is really that vocal about feminism/equality issues etc, it all seems quite calculated on how it will help her brand rather than her actually wanting to raise awareness. Which is fine, not every celeb has to be an activist. I'm not saying I necessarily think she's racist or anything but just a bit surprised that people see her as someone who is outspoken about racism etc.

 

[enkaym]

Maybe I'm just a grinch but I am so so sick of the special sad girl / from the vault / extra / bonus nonsense! Why can't an album just be an album? Does it all just come down to money now?

I've been a Taylor fan since 2006 and I don't think it has always been like this?! Something has really changed

 

[AbnormalFrog]

Maybe I have too much main character syndrome but I literally never think about who the song was written about either.... I just relate it to my life

 

[QueenBW]

It's hilarious to see people defending an extremely rich white person using creative work from a minority creator without a fair payment and then talking about the dearth of creativity on social media. Even more so because if and when someone's done this to Taylor, she's asked for what is justifiably hers (like the Olivia Rodrigo situation). She's the person who tried to trademark basic phrases for profit as if she had invented them. It's kind of despicable that she didn't pay this guy.

No one is saying she should give him a million dollars or that people are going exclusively to see that little piece of choreo. But whether it's a nod to a viral video or not, he created the choreography. I don't know the going rates for choreography but she could well afford to pay him a fair price in addition to the tickets. It'd be better for the optics too and it's probably less money than she spends on Chanel loafers.

 

[ls240898]

 

[QueenBW]

I don't think cancelling is the only potential negative outcome of once more playing the media and doing things she already did in her 20s in some twisted little revenge act. She is indeed probably too big to cancel, and there will always be people willing to support even 100% proven awful humans, like the Chris Brown shitshow showed. And Taylor hasn't done anything like that, she's just exhibiting some very immature behaviour and associating with what publicly seem to be not so great people. But I have zero plans to return my Eras tour tickets, for example, and I'm sure most ticket holders don't plan on it either.

However, I don't understand why she keeps playing stupid games when she'll only win stupid prizes. What's her goal with playing the media again and once more plastering her romantic drama everywhere? She's not going to reach new audiences. The tour is basically sold out, and I doubt anyone would buy the super expensive tickets left just in case she kisses Matty Healy on stage. It won't make critics take her songwriting more seriously or people in general see her acting/screenwriting/directing ambitions in a better light. If anything, she'll harm those things she's worked so hard to build. It's boring and stupid and she doesn't seem stupid, so I don't get it.

And yes, absolutely agree that she's trying to hurt Joe but as someone said before, that's an old move at 33, and also, is all this worth that?

 

[emerald]

I'm finding it hard not to be disappointed with her on a human level* for shagging a man who openly admitted he watches porn degrading Black women.

*As in, I would disappointed with any woman who does this, not because I'm especially fond of Taylor Swift.

 

[LittlePea]

anyway - can please someone give me a run down of the racist things matty has said/done? I’m not in the 1975 loop.

As a 1975 fan - The main things recently are that he made a very, very poor decision to go on podcast ‘The Adam Friedland Show’, touted as satirical, where he and the hosts made a whole bunch of racist, misogynistic, homophobic ‘jokes’. I don’t know what went through his head to think going on there was a good idea or how it would be perceived as anything other than incredibly offensive, but there we are.

One thing people are getting wrong though - it was The hosts that made a comment about Ice Spice, not actually Matty, however he laughed at these and joined in with the comments that followed which is essentially condoning what was said about Ice Spice.

Another thing people are picking up on is that he supposedly did a Nazi salute during a performance of their song ‘Love If If We Made It’. The song lyrics are made up of newspaper headlines, tweets etc and he did this salute during the line ‘thank you Kanye, very cool’. This was a tweet from Donald Trump to Kanye. Some people however will argue that he was just doing a military salute, because the Nazi salute doesn’t involve the movement of the hand away from the head which he did, it is just the outstretched arm.

People are also now picking up on him saying dating Taylor Swift ‘would be emasculating’ from an interview years ago, however the writer of the article did actually come out in his defence and added further context to him saying that.

On his Instagram, trumanblack - Matty’s ‘persona’ - he also posts memes that are of an offensive nature and other questionable things to his stories.

Matty is a very complicated, confusing and troubling individual tbh. He speaks out on injustices and prejudice and things and is a spokesperson for charities, but then other actions don’t align with this and are offensive. He also has a bad habit of not properly apologising for things when he fucks up either.

There’s a lot more than can be said, but this sums up the recent things under fire. Being a fan of The 1975 is very hard sometimes.

 

[Lilykins]

I think it’s funny that well only ever know the breakup from her perspective when she releases her next album. Joe is never going to directly reveal or even hint at what happened the way Taylor will.

It’s always going to be The Breakup (Taylor’s version)

This has to be a contender for a next thread title!

 

[kyaraslife]

Unsure about what she is doing with Matt Healy.

However, three things definitely tells me that she was the one who got dumped:

1. Her gal pals and man pal (Ryan Reynolds) all unfollowing Joe at once, after they all went out with Taylor.

2. Moving on to Matt so quickly after a public breakup as if she had something to prove ( people who initiate breakups don’t need to prove anything )

3. Being shush about and doing fuck all when it comes to decently asking her manic fans to stop attacking and accusing Joe. Especially when no one knows why the break up happened. If this was the love of your life and you did the dumping, you’d have common decency to ask that people respect your ex s privacy.

Joe is a class act. She is still stuck at age 13.

 

[Folkevermore]

Ultimately I think fans who have POC have every right to be upset, and the context of what was said, and whether it’s just “satire” doesn’t necessarily matter.
I was talking to my fiancé about this, particularly the part in the podcast where they were mocking Chinese and Japanese accents.
My fiancé is British-Filipino, and when he was younger his mother didn’t speak very clear English (fair play, her second language after all), and so when he learned to talk a lot of his language sounded heavily accented and in his pronunciation wasn’t great. And other kids made fun of him so often, that even now after speech therapy he’s very conscious about the way he speaks, and can get embarrassed if people don’t understand something he’s said (his English is perfect, but he struggles with the letter R in words at times).
Whenever he hears people mocking Asian accents (or any accents for that matter), he’s automatically reminded of the shitty kids on the school playground who went out of their way to torment him. Matty Healy and the other guy on this podcast are just grown up versions of those bullies.
Ultimately accents can be a struggle for POC, and can make them feel very isolated and like they don’t fit in, particularly for young children who don’t fully understand why people are laughing at them when they’re trying to speak.
I don’t think it’s fair for people to say that this is being blown out of proportion, if they’re not one of the groups who are being mocked. The jokes weren’t funny.
And this is without touching on the “ghetto gaggers” comments, which were truly disgusting.

 

[minimaz]

I've always been a big fan of hers but I feel a bit silly now for defending her when people were talking years ago about how many relationships she has. To me it looked like a normal girl in her 20's going on dates and that people would never pass a remark on a normal person who had as many boyfriends as she did during that time of her life.

But jumping into this relationship with Matt Healy so soon after ending a 6 year relationship with Joe Alwyn is making me think that she doesn't know how to be single. I have a friend like this, shes always got someone else lined up when a relationship is ending (always claimed there was no crossover), thought she had changed her ways when she got married but during the pandemic she left him and straight away took up with someone else.

She obviously wants to get married and it seems like her only criteria is that they be British given her last few relationships.

I never would have thought that Joe would win this break up but.....