Taylor Swift #10 It’s truly exhausting always rooting for the anti-hero!

[Waffleandlies]

Thread title suggestion- ‘Will we survive the Great War?’

 

[bellbells16]

I don’t think she messed up, I completely understand why she had to drop it as a single during covid, even if she had used it as the lead prior to covid happening it would have still been that same summer.
I’d love a music video but not sure we’ll get one, it’s strange she released it on a Tuesday/Wednesday too instead of Friday?

It would have come out in summer 2019, pre covid. It should have been the lead single instead of Me. Singles that come out after the album just don’t have the same impact imo. Cruel summer being the first song anyone heard from Lover would have hit so differently.

I’ve seen a lot of think pieces over the years about the Cruel Summer mess up and by releasing now it feels like she once again can’t take mild criticism and own her decisions.

I also think she’s doing waaaay too much at the moment. Dropping singles from midnights, speak now re-release and dropping single of her most popular songs as a single all in the space of a few weeks is a lot.

 

[Folkevermore]

I fancied a Matty type once (in my last year at school). He was very alternative, indifferent and cool. We kissed once for about 10 seconds (long sorry but it was a great (brief) kiss) and then I liked him on and off for over a year (had 2 boyfriends in between) but the timing was always messy and he never seemed that interested anyway.

Anyway, the summer after we finished school he decided to approach me on a night out to tell me he was in love with me. I was over it by then and tried to let him down gently but he insisted, told everyone around us that he loved me and then (honestly) asked me to marry him. I firmly believe he just thought he loved me because he had been jealous of the other blokes I was with. My point is, it can happen. This bloke was sooo laid back I didn't even think he liked me that much, never mind publicly declaring he was in love and proposing. It wasn't real but he definitely thought it was (and it really upset me).

It could do, but I feel like people are really projecting their lives onto Joe and Taylor when none of us really know anything, except that she publicly moved on first. At the end of the day, Taylor is in her mid 30s, and if she’s acting like a high schooler, then she needs to reassess. If my friends in their 30s were making declarations two weeks into a relationship, I’d take them to the side and check their sanity level.

I don’t think it’s fair how people are dragging this Emma girl and calling her immature when she has nothing on Taylor’s pettiness level. Or speculated that Joe cheated when Taylor is the one who was first publicly seeing someone (and also cheated on her last two partners).

Don’t get me wrong, I love Taylor, but she isn’t always the victim of everything. And she does have a history of being petty and disloyal in relationships

 

[Yupyupyup]

Saw her last year and the 15 year olds ruined it a little for me (very bad gig etiquette)

This is the one quite big thing that puts me off going to the Eras tour at all to be fair. Happy to see people enjoying themselves but some tiktoks have scared me a bit, I don’t want to be sat next to someone screeching at the top of their lungs all night if I just put myself in debt to see Miss Swift and I can’t even hear her over it! Hoping it’s just a Americans not being self aware thing and it would be a bit more respectful over here

 

[Merpedy]

I think it’s very obvious from Taylor’s behaviour that Joe broke up with her and the relationship has been failing for a while but she didn’t really want to admit it

I’m not even convinced that she processed the breakup (before the official breakup) during Midnights because she’s clearly still affected by it too

 

[QueenBW]

Advice from what I learned from the US and Mexico City sales: light a candle and hope for the best

In my experience with both, the codes were given out at random. The friend that managed to get a code both times was the last one to register out of our group. So registration time didn't matter. If there's any presale and you have access to it, 100% do that.

If you're among the lucky chosen, sign in early, have your payment method preloaded onto your TM or whatever account. Have a backup payment method.

For Mexico City, they had a "waiting room" that opened at 1:30 pm and at 2:00 when the sale started, you were thrown into the queue. Anybody's guess how long you'll be there.

Choose quickly. Go in with a decision made, be that to spend as much money as it asks you to or whatever but know thyself If you wait, tickets can disappear in front of your eyes.

Don't be too indecisive, if you keep searching for different zones or whatever, after I think 4 attempts, it'll kick you back to the queue.

If they do waiting lists and they pull you out, be prepared to only find the VIP packages, which are kind of a rip off. So just be prepared to either walk away or pay up.

May the odds be ever in your favor!

 

[wordzalad]

Already seeing TikTok’s from people in US who’ve been to a show saying they’ve registered for all europe dates

 

[Yupyupyup]

I’m not ruling out the possibility, but Taylor has used the woman scorned thing as a mechanism before in break ups.
There’s zero evidence that Joe cheated, but plausible evidence that there was some overlap between Joe and Matty, considering how fast everything moved there. Given the spotlight on Taylor’s life, I’d imagine she’d wait more than a few weeks before going public with a relationship. I wouldn’t be surprised if they started seeing each other much earlier in the year.
Everything we’ve seen is only one side of this, and it’s easy to blame Joe but Taylor has a history of cheating

Purely from the marriage line I think it’s been down to her asking him why there’s no ring yet and him telling her he doesn’t see that in their future, the friends unfollowing could easily be from something like that too. Seems childish but also plausible.

[Next part is general and unrelated to anyone particular/defo not aimed at you!]
I sometimes think fans love to jump on the “how dare you all say this about a WOMAN!!!”defence far too quickly. Do we as women get a lot more shit for acting out of line? Unfortunately, yeah. But acting out of line is still acting out of line at the end of the day. This “we shouldn‘t judge!!!” Just because she’s a woman in a high pressure job is absolutely nonsense and honestly kind of funny to say on a gossip forum when the majoroty of us are probably in other threads judging others. I love Taylor, have for well over a decade, but that doesn’t excuse her from acting like an absolute embarrassment sometimes.

 

[Merpedy]

I actually think the opposite, you’re losing me suggests it was her who ended it

She’s an unreliable narrator when it comes to break ups imo

There’s the whole thing with which news sources reported the break up and how it was done too which suggested that it was Joe breaking up and Taylor trying to reclaim the narrative around it all

 

[Folkevermore]

I don’t really see You’re Losing Me as a ‘provoking’ song, I think it was her way of getting across her side of the story and I don’t see a problem with that, whether or not joe wants to do the same is up to him. He knew Taylor bares her soul through her music when he got together with her so I’m sure he wasn’t surprised to hear the song released.

I also don’t think she’s been ‘weaponising’ her fans against him here, the song doesn’t even speak particularly badly of Joe himself, I more see it as the narrative of desperately trying to save a dying relationship. Perhaps the timing of release was abit calculated but I think that was more to steer the conversation away from Matty rather than provoking Joe.

The Matty thing on the other hand…very messy indeed. She definitely could’ve handled that better but she is only human at the end of the day and we’ve all been on a dodgy rebound before hopefully she’s living and learning from that one.

The fact that she deliberately released a song about Joe to deflect from Matty is super icky in my opinion. There’s no “need” for her to tell the story at this point and it would’ve been better to let the dust settle, especially since she was publicly with someone else. She dragged it out so the world would talk about that instead of her new boyfriends racism and weird porn habits.
The fact that she even chose Matty is even more icky I’ve had dodgy rebounds sure, but I don’t think I’ve ever deliberately dated a racist.

 

[Waffleandlies]

She best announce Reputation TV during Europe dates and have getaway car on the set list every night if I’m jeopardising my relationship for this

 

[Folkevermore]

Taylor's new thing for a couple of years has been to seem powerful. Getting cheated on negates that.

Maybe, but honestly there’s not much evidence that he cheated. Taylor has been hanging out with Matty since at least January and got very close very quickly. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’d been together longer - I mean would anyone make an “I love you” declaration on stage two weeks into a relationship? Because even it’s a joke it’s still beyond weird.
The evidence that Joe cheated amounts to a picture of him on a scooter taken by a coworker, and a picture of said coworker staying at a well known New York hotel. The amount of shit Emma got from swifties over pure speculation was disturbing.
They were annoyed about Matty, but only because of his actions and not because of the monumental speed that Taylor was fucking someone else

 

[Folkevermore]

I don’t make excuses for Taylor because I’m a fan who can’t hold people accountable, I guess it just reflects who I am as a person and I’ve learnt over time that everyone’s a human and prone to making mistakes/wrong choices. I think we expect too much of celebrities sometimes, she’s not a bad person, just makes mistakes more publicly than the rest of us.

I don’t think she’s a bad person, but I think the way she handles things is and has always been very calculated. She is also obsessed with controlling the narrative to make it look like she’s winning. She didn’t get to where she is without treading on a few toes

 

[Periwinkleblue]

I don't know how you can call someone petty or immature when you don't know what they've gone through.

It's a very oppressive thing this business of telling women that even if they're cheated on or treated badly that they shouldn't react.

You're allowed to be pissed off when someone breaks your heart. You're allowed to get drunk and have revenge sex. You're allowed to make bitchy comments about your ex. You're allowed to cry in public. You're allowed to claim momentarily that you were never that into him anyway. All that and more.

Taylor has behaved with a lot of dignity. I personally don't know any humans who could go on working in such a high pressure job with as little deviation from standards.

But so what if she hasn't? Judging a 33 year old woman whose just lost by far the longest romantic relationship of her life takes a special kind of patronising.

"I''d take my friends to one side and have a word if they behaved like that"....just makes you a judgey, u empathetic and overstepping person.

 

[Folkevermore]

I really believe that he cheated. I know she might not have seemed like she dealt with it the right way even if it was true but I honestly think he hurt her and confirmed her fears that he wouldn’t stick by her/stay faithful

I’m sure if he cheated she would’ve referenced it in you’re losing me.
Judging from how quickly she moved on, and her history, I would say it’s more likely that she cheated.
Did he potentially leave her for someone else? Maybe, but Matt and Taylor reconnected a while ago and I wouldn’t be shocked if something happened

 

[Merpedy]

She’s in a position where she doesn’t need to be with a man who doesn’t give back what she puts in and therefore doesn’t have to settle.

This seems to be working on the assumption that she's the perfect partner to have and is faultless

I have noticed a lot of fans playing into that narrative that Taylor is totally perfect and can do no wrong in general and I always find it a bit ehhh

 

[disneys]

My dad just messaged me to say he’s registered for London for me 🥹🥹🥹 he’s 63 , a real technophobe but he’s going to try .. what a gem

 

[giraffe345]

Just seen my first influencer excited about Taylor swift tickets on insta - I really really really hope that brands etc aren’t able to gain big numbers of Taylor tickets in UK and share them round these influencers who couldn’t give 2 shits about Taylor like they have for Harry styles and Beyoncé this year. When there’s normal people like us willing to spend our life savings on going for one night!! I’m thinking Anastasia kingsnorth and saffron barker, no way do they love Taylor but them 2 get to where a fart wouldn’t…

 

[Caffeine Fiend]

I feel like if they know you got tickets for one show then that should be it. I appreciate its impossible to sort this with different email addresses and things but it just feels a bit shit that some people will get 5 shows and some huge fans none.

 

[Brummiebird]

I have tickets!!!!!

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