I remember going into a pet shop on Paris and just wanting to cry it’s was absolutely full of pedigree puppies. Every breed you can think of. In these glass enclosures, I left feeling so upset and that was right near the centre of Paris 
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The families on gogglebox annoy me , every week one of them has a new dog, it's as if they are trying to outdo each other with how many they can have, the Malones got a lot of attention because their dogs are hilarious and they rescued a badly treated dog, then suspiciously the other families started getting them for attention, the two big sisters have got a new one , god knows what's happened to their grey dog, they have probably got rid as it didn't get them enough attention 
Yes there are many pitfalls and it can be sadly very unethical. However the idea that you should get a rescue animal is down to personal choice and dependable on your circumstances and experience.
It's like saying well adopt a kid rather than have your own which lots of people wouldn't do.
It's like saying well adopt a kid rather than have your own which lots of people wouldn't do.
I don’t see an issue with Gogglebox, we know nothing about where they get dogs from or why they have dogs or how long they’ve had them. They just happen to be on camera sometimes!The families on gogglebox annoy me , every week one of them has a new dog, it's as if they are trying to outdo each other with how many they can have, the Malones got a lot of attention because their dogs are hilarious and they rescued a badly treated dog, then suspiciously the other families started getting them for attention, the two big sisters have got a new one , god knows what's happened to their grey dog, they have probably got rid as it didn't get them enough attention
I was thinking this. Previous dogs could have passed away or could be in the next room or something. We don’t know so shouldn’t pass judgement. Can’t say I’ve ever noticed a trend of them getting dogs for attention on that show. Only ‘Dave the dog’ has gotten any attention from what I’ve noticed.
I get where you're coming from but I think it's preferable that someone would try to adopt, realise it's not for them and bring the pet back to the shelter to be rehomed, than buy a pet and abandon it. We take a very non-judgemental approach at the shelter I'm at, we make it clear to people that if it doesn't work out we will take the pet back without question, and if they have difficulties to contact us so we can support them. Yes a lot come back, but I would prefer people did that than buy a pet and just abandon it. The majority of cats brought to us in the first place are ones who have been left outside, it's never people who have bought and decided they can't cope with it, which suggests that this 'buying and abandoning' is very prevalent. As much as I hate the idea that for some of these people adopting lets them kind of 'try out' having a pet and with the safety net that they can just give it back, at least that means they will realise they're not cut out for a pet or whatever and won't try to buy elsewhere after that experience most of the time.
It's one of those things that always strikes me as quite odd with children. When you try to adopt a child, the rules are very strict and there's a very long process to assess your suitability. Not necessarily a bad thing, but there is no such thing for people who are fortunate enough to conceive a child naturally. There does seem to be a disparity between adopting and buying, if shelters make it too difficult for people to adopt, they are just going to go on Gumtree and buy instead.
Just because it looks like a certain breed, does not mean its purebred (or well bred)I remember going into a pet shop on Paris and just wanting to cry it’s was absolutely full of pedigree puppies. Every breed you can think of. In these glass enclosures, I left feeling so upset and that was right near the centre of Paris
Yes its all about adopt or shop responsibly. So no dogs from a petshop, byb, puppymill, litter just for fun. But a pup from a reputable breeder who does all the health testing that is needed, have titles on their dog, socialize their pups and do all what is needed to breed the best combinations to better the breed. I myself have rescue dogs and i imported a rare breed from Lithuania that is now a multi ch. People want a dog quick and buy one when they feel like it. Thats just sad. Do your research and put yourself on the waitinglist with a great breeder.
We bought our dog in May.
We had wanted a dog for about 2 years. As we do both work full time, our only option was to get a Westie as those are what our MIL has and she said she would therefore be happy to look after our dog during the day - she wasn't comfortable taking on another breed and we have a fondness for Westies anyway, so the plan worked for us.
We applied to national and local charities and didn't get an iota of contact - we have a mid size house, garden, no children, but the demand for rescues, in my experience, is quite high, especially if you are looking for a particular breed.
When lockdown begun, we realised that for us it was the ideal time for us to get a dog. We were both working from home and so had time to get the dog used to their surroundings/settle them in - this was our motivation, rather than us being 'bored'. We also had a higher disposable income, due to cancelled plans, so could buy everything the dog needed without worry.
We didn't want to wait any longer, so went through Kennel Club and found a fantastic breeder and got our lovely pup.
We have now returned to work, we drop our pup off to our MILs each morning and he has a whale of a time, socialises with her dogs and goes for walks with them in the day. We love walking and walk him for 1.5 hours each evening and at least twice on weekends - even before getting a dog, I averaged 18,000 steps a day, so having him fits in well with my lifestyle. We live next to a country park and a beach so no 'round the block' walks for us!
When life gets more 'normal' we will take him with us when we go to the pub/round friends. Rarely will myself and OH both go somewhere where we can't take our dog - if it was for anything longer than a couple of hours, we would ask a family member to watch him (have lots of family local to us).
I do understand your views, but in my circumstances, feel completely justified in my choice and will happily share that I bought a puppy. I researched, eventually bought from a reputable breeder (registered with Kennel Club), and our dog is probably the happiest little man you'll ever meet - he has a great life and is very loved; our priority is giving him good experiences, not social media likes.
this is a LONG justification about why you purchased a puppy.
do you think every case is this beautiful happily ever after love story.
or do you think there are thousands of puppies that have been purchased by breeders who have stolen the witch from a loving family in order to provide their “new in” stock.
Dog stolen from Cork last summer reunited with owners after social media appeal
Ruby the springer spaniel was recovered after a woman in the UK saw her for sale
I wonder how many of those people end up buying a new puppy afterwards and just put the experience as one where the animal was adopted and had 'issues' or something, especially if the issue wasn't something like the pet just taking too much time/effort. I'm guessing no data is actually kept on such things, but I've known people who had several dogs and then gave them away once they got too 'difficult'... and then obviously got new dogs because somehow they're easier??
Surely most people will be breeding their dogs for selfish reasons as financial gain or just wanting to experience having puppies around the house - I don't think many of us look at our dogs and think 'she'd love to be a parent'
Or these puppies were from families who already owned the witch and provided her a good life. You seem to have a problem with very specific cases that most people may not experience.
I do think there's a lot of concern for lockdown puppies, especially when families go back to work since they'll not be used to that. But to generalise breeders that aren't reputable as evil is also a bit much imo
Yes, it was a long justification, in direct response to your blanket statement: 'I judge ANYONE who purchased a puppy in the last 12 months, anyone.' and a response to your questions, 'if you bought a puppy during lockdown what’s the plan when life goes back to normal? Work? Social events?'this is a LONG justification about why you purchased a puppy.
do you think every case is this beautiful happily ever after love story.
or do you think there are thousands of puppies that have been purchased by breeders who have stolen the witch from a loving family in order to provide their “new in” stock.
Dog stolen from Cork last summer reunited with owners after social media appeal
Ruby the springer spaniel was recovered after a woman in the UK saw her for salewww.irishtimes.com
I can only talk about my own situation. By researching and carefully making my choices, I ensured that I was not part of that.
I agree there needs to be awareness around puppy farming/buying options, but there is no need to be so hostile towards everyone who has chosen not to adopt. I would have loved to adopt a pet, but could have spent another two years waiting and still not have had the opportunity.
bit of a strong statement there
there are geniune ones out there who do get dogs or pets for the right reason. we got a dog during the lockdown periodWe adopted an elderly cat in 2018 from the RSPCA, she was 13 at the time and part of their 'golden oldies' scheme as she was pretty unwell and we was told she had a month left in her. I couldn't bare to leave her there and took her home a week later. Considering neither of us have ever looked after a cat, let alone an extremely sick one that needs daily medication, they seemed very eager to get rid of her! I find that if you want to adopt dogs rescue shelters are by far more difficult.
I think I’ve had this argument so many times from people trying to justify how they purchased a dog, it’s tiring.
and they get equally defensive in almost supporting this horrific industry.
not almost, they are supporting it, you all are
Yeah I'm not sure, it would be interesting to know. When people bring cats back they tend to say 'our other cat clearly just won't tolerate another cat' which suggests they won't get another. Interestingly it's always people who also say they got a new cat and immediately introduced them to the existing cat without following any of the guidance we give on socialising cats...I can appreciate it's probably different for dogs though as they're much more of a time commitment. I always massively side eye people who say cats are 'too much effort' because they really aren't at all.
It might be tiring, but if you post generalisations, people are going to want to respond.I think I’ve had this argument so many times from people trying to justify how they purchased a dog, it’s tiring.
and they get equally defensive in almost supporting this horrific industry.
not almost, they are supporting it, you all are
I understand that if we cut the demand then there would be no need for a supply - but surely that isn't sustainable - unless you want to stop dogs being bred full stop? Not being defensive, but genuinely interested in your view.
We got our westie pup (May ‘19), I have to admit in hindsight it was probably dodgy, as the seller said “You can bring him back if you want to” - in reference to him barking.
Of course I wasn’t going to take him back, that was simply out of the question, this beautiful shaggy dog is part of the family, a living, loving being.
Ultimately that’s all anyone wants whether buying or adopting, some people aren’t cut out to dedicate themselves to another living creature, whether that’s a child, dog, cat or any other pet. (Or partner in some cases)!
Of course I wasn’t going to take him back, that was simply out of the question, this beautiful shaggy dog is part of the family, a living, loving being.
Ultimately that’s all anyone wants whether buying or adopting, some people aren’t cut out to dedicate themselves to another living creature, whether that’s a child, dog, cat or any other pet. (Or partner in some cases)!
But buying a puppy via a reputable breeder from kennel club isn’t exactly the same as buying one from a dodgy guy out the back of a car is it? I think that’s why people are getting so defensive.I think I’ve had this argument so many times from people trying to justify how they purchased a dog, it’s tiring.
and they get equally defensive in almost supporting this horrific industry.
not almost, they are supporting it, you all are
I wanted to adopt a cat but looking around shelters a lot of them were requesting for the potential adoptee to meet the whole family including the pets. I understand why it's done but at the time we had dogs and I don't think they're most receptive to strange cats, though it seems more like play behaviour than actually being aggressive but I cannot say as they're usually on a lead when they see a neighbourhood cat, or chase it away from the door at most. Think that automatically put us at all sorts of disadvantages since they weren't going to just sit there and ignore the cat.
We eventually had a random stray cat in bad shape turn up at our door and took him in. Transpired that he had no owners and we ended up keeping him. They all have a bit of a love hate relationship, the hate part being chasing each other around the house or pouncing at one of the dogs normally. Granted, both of them have become a bit more calm around the neighbourhood cats now and one even approaches to say hello sometimes
There are also definitely a few home breeders that get their dogs tested and ensure their welfare and the like, at the end of the day to become a reputable breeder will require you to have some sort of experience.
Some of my extended family now run kennels and are reputable for breeding dogs and having experience with show dogs, but at the end of the day they started out as 'home' breeders who happened to be into the whole show dog business. I'm sure that business is also shady as hell, but I can testify on all accounts that they're wonderful owners, and from what I have heard from the likes of Crufts in Britain a lot of the owners are pretty good. I think it all just comes down to the breed standards being enforced/encouraged by these sorts of competitions which ultimately result in poor health.
I have a happy and contented puppy asleep at my feet. She has come to a home where we have two other dogs (also bought as puppies) and will be loved and cherished until her last breath as the other dogs are. She came from a reputable breeder who was happy to let us spend four hours with mum and the pups.
What is the problem with this?
For the record we applied to rehome a dog at a local shelter it was practically impossible as they weren't happy about so many things. It's a tick box exercise for them and they rarely bother to consider a home properly unless you find the really small shelters.
What is the problem with this?
For the record we applied to rehome a dog at a local shelter it was practically impossible as they weren't happy about so many things. It's a tick box exercise for them and they rarely bother to consider a home properly unless you find the really small shelters.