Southport Attacks and Aftermath #7

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I was under the impression that the mother worked, but the father didn’t, beyond a bit of taxi driving. Happy to be corrected if I’m misremembering. The father was certainly reported to have been concerned about his benefits stopping if AR was taken off roll at his school.
 
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I just don’t understand it. I was also wondering whether Rudakubana Sr. could be prosecuted for this, although I’m not sure there’s a charge that could really be applied here.
The dad says he didn't know what the ricin was, which I think is possible, so it won't be that but surely, hiding the machete must fall under something like concealing a weapon? There's no reason anyone, let alone a 17 year old should have one. If any of them were caught with that on the street they'd be arrested so it must be wrong to hide it at home.
 
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The more I hear about this family, the more I feel sick. Alphonse Rudakubana, Dion Rudakubana and Laetitia Muzayire all have blood on their hands.
Their inactions led to the death of three little girls and the physical and mental injuries to all those who survived their family member’s attack.
It’s a sad state of affairs that the family who help caused this are more protected giving evidence than those innocent children ever were.
 
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Where does the father say this?
It was definitely reported as being said during the inquiry this past week. Something to do with AR’s very low attendance at a PRU. I believe they wanted to take him off roll and the father said they couldn’t do that because certain benefits would stop. I’ve tried Googling but of course I can’t find it now. Maybe someone else in this thread has the exact quote.
 
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It was definitely reported as being said during the inquiry this past week. Something to do with AR’s very low attendance at a PRU. I believe they wanted to take him off roll and the father said they couldn’t do that because certain benefits would stop. I’ve tried Googling but of course I can’t find it now. Maybe someone else in this thread has the exact quote.
Yes I posted it earlier in the thread.
 
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It’s here
 
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Asked about the knives, Muzayire begins to cry and says "I hate knives" it's "making me unwell".

She can be heard sobbing before saying: "If you know what we've been going through... the knives."


That family is so selfish - what they’ve been going through?! What about the innocent little girls slaughtered by their butcher of a son?
 
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Asked about the knives, Muzayire begins to cry and says "I hate knives" it's "making me unwell".

She can be heard sobbing before saying: "If you know what we've been going through... the knives."


That family is so selfish - what they’ve been going through?! What about the innocent little girls slaughtered by their butcher of a son?
Not good enough.

They could have simply been honest and tried harder to get help, not hide what he was doing. The brother said he would kill someone one day, the dad said he thought he would be killed by Axel so they knew he was capable of murder. They should have done something and but now, other families are suffering more than them.

He might be an evil tit but he's still alive and if he outlives his sentence and behaves himself, he might even be free one day.

Those little girls and their families don't have that.

Axel was still very young, maybe his behaviour could have been corrected. It might have taken a lot of work but we don't know that because they didn't really try.
 
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Not good enough.

They could have simply been honest and tried harder to get help, not hide what he was doing. The brother said he would kill someone one day, the dad said he thought he would be killed by Axel so they knew he was capable of murder. They should have done something and but now, other families are suffering more than them.

He might be an evil tit but he's still alive and if he outlives his sentence and behaves himself, he might even be free one day.

Those little girls and their families don't have that.

Axel was still very young, maybe his behaviour could have been corrected. It might have taken a lot of work but we don't know that because they didn't really try.
Odd he wasn’t volatile towards his mother.
 
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Who could blame them after that performance by the parents…They’re now being forced ( along with the rest of us) to pay for a lifetime’s protection for the people that allowed this to happen.
 
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My heart is breaking for the families of those girls. The excuses from his parents are utterly pathetic - insulting.
 
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Absolutely mealy mouthed words from the parents, and my heart goes out to the families of all the victims. I would be sickened to know that the parents did so much to obstruct AR getting help/locked up.

Reading this report from Oct 28th, the long screed the father sent to the Early Help team (I believe this was essentially a counselling service?) going on and on about how they weren’t to share any information about AR to basically any other agency involved with him (youth offending team, social services, pupil referral unit etc) shows the parents - well the father at least - for what they are. All they cared about was keeping their son a dirty little secret. They didn’t want their family tainted by having a dangerous, violent and mentally ill teenage son.

I can only guess it’s the typical African (or indeed Asian) attitude that mental illness brings such shame to your family it’s best to brush it under the carpet and pretend nothing is happening.

My only question is who were they trying to hide it from? By all accounts they were quite an isolated family and they didn’t have other Rwandan families as friends, or anyone else for that matter.

The quote (note at the start he also alludes to withholding info about AR from the Early Help team but might disclose when he’s ready - controlling wick):

The message stated: "As you are all aware, this service is voluntary. With the child and the family at the centre. When we feel comfortable, we can inadvertently or innocently (share) personal information that no other family shares, not to say that there is something sinister but because not necessary.

"Therefore we trust that you use your professional judgement not to share sensitive, irrelevant information with the youth offending team, social services, nor the school for that matter.

"We treat your service like the service of a counsellor, so we expect a high degree of confidentiality and sensitivity. AR can trust you and say stuff as a child, but we don't expect you to record or share some information with others that can turn our family upside down."

He added: "This is unbelievably important because we are not exchanging our family essence and dignity for some benefits that your organisation provides.

"It is a really sensitive field that my words cannot express. In other words we commissioned you to help us (that is between you and us only) and to help AR receive meaningful education and that is where the school comes in."

He added "I don't get why the youth offending team in charge of punishing AR has anything to do with your assessment report. They should know more than they need to see how their enforcement work and they don't need your input.

"Please don't involve them anymore. Also please share with Acorns (school) only part of the report they need to improve AR's education."

Edit: don’t know why Tattle isn’t allowing me to link to the Manchester Evening News 🤷‍♀️
 
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What do you all think about the view that some people have that the parents should have their right to asylum rescinded? It would never happen but I can see why people would want it. They threw the kindness this country showed to them back in its face, didn’t engage with any help and if it was due to their cultural beliefs as some think then it shows they never really integrated.
It would be interesting what protections the state are paying for in regards to them. I would imagine they’d have to change their names since they are mud now.
 
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What do you all think about the view that some people have that the parents should have their right to asylum rescinded? It would never happen but I can see why people would want it. They threw the kindness this country showed to them back in its face, didn’t engage with any help and if it was due to their cultural beliefs as some think then it shows they never really integrated.
It would be interesting what protections the state are paying for in regards to them. I would imagine they’d have to change their names since they are mud now.
Personally I think if they had any shame or decency they’d exile themselves, instead of expecting the state to spend an inordinate amount of money protecting them. Go seek asylum somewhere else, on the grounds that it isn’t safe for them to remain in the UK.
 
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What do you all think about the view that some people have that the parents should have their right to asylum rescinded? It would never happen but I can see why people would want it. They threw the kindness this country showed to them back in its face, didn’t engage with any help and if it was due to their cultural beliefs as some think then it shows they never really integrated.
It would be interesting what protections the state are paying for in regards to them. I would imagine they’d have to change their names since they are mud now.
We don’t know why they were granted asylum to begin with.
 
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Personally I think if they had any shame or decency they’d exile themselves, instead of expecting the state to spend an inordinate amount of money protecting them. Go seek asylum somewhere else, on the grounds that it isn’t safe for them to remain in the UK.
Sadly I think it’s been proven that for the Rudakubana family only they matter, everyone else is expendable. And as they were more concerned about losing benefits that the dangers their family member posed to everyone I doubt they give a toss that taxpayers will have to pay to keep them.
 
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