anyone with any legal knowledge know how long she can keep appealing this decision? I don't agree with us taking her citizenship as that is clearly a very dangerous precedent and we shouldn't leave our problems in another country... says the logical side of me... the other side of me thinks we should take in more people who were tortured etc by ISIS instead( I cannot remember the name of the one particular religious groups where they treated the women as slaves, for example)
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not-a-medical-Dr Jessica Taylor monetising the Russell Brand and David Walliams news is disgusting. She forced her vulnerable employees to sign an NDA to stop them whistle blowing. She threatened survivors of sexual abuse to sue them for “every single one of their assets” if they spoke up. She is one of the most dangerous people in the VAWG sector and does so much harm to women and girls.
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I think she is used as a show pony to show how tough we are. I feel she should stand trial here and retain her citizenship.
I have noticed that the people who say she was just a child and therefore not mature enough to make decisions and speak sense also tend to laud and devoutly revere Greta T who is the same age.
I have noticed that the people who say she was just a child and therefore not mature enough to make decisions and speak sense also tend to laud and devoutly revere Greta T who is the same age.
I think the problem with the trial would be (As I have read) proving anything she did, obviously we can prove she went there but what she actually did there is probably no actual proof, which makes me nervous to think about if she would even be sentenced. That said I do agree we have to take her back.
It is strange isn't it? I often wonder if the legal age for things needs to be changed, like in the UK for 16 is the age of consent but 18 is for criminal prosecution, I don't really get why it is different
Well said. She’s still a security threat in my opinion.
I agree with what you've said but I don't think the age for criminal prosecution is 18. I think it's 10. However, I think if you're under 18 that is obviously taken into account and any grooming etc. would be factored into whether she would be found guilty of an offence/what her sentence would be. However, I agree that it's probably not possible to prove much!
You are correct for England and Wales - https://www.gov.uk/age-of-criminal-responsibility
so in which case she shoulnd't be considered a child?
Well, she is an adult now so I'm guessing she would be tried in the adult court and would go to adult prison (if convicted and receiving a custodial sentence), but her age at the time would be considered in her trial e.g. they would take into account the fact that it was a child who committed the act. The James Bulger killers are a good example of kids being convicted for criminal offences - for example they wouldn't send two kids to an adult prison, and loads of special measures are put in place for the trial. But at the end of the day, they're still criminally liable.
And she would be considered a child at the time she went to Syria (but obviously not now). A child is under 18. It just so happens that a child aged 10 or over can be held criminally liable.
I'm so torn over this. I think she would be a real security risk, capable of radicalising others, and unlikely to get a proper prison sentence because of the need to provide proof.
But she is, or should be, Britain's responsibility given that she was a British citizen, even though subsequently being made stateless, which I am uncomfortable with.
So I will pick the splinters out of my a now...
But she is, or should be, Britain's responsibility given that she was a British citizen, even though subsequently being made stateless, which I am uncomfortable with.
So I will pick the splinters out of my a now...
Criminal prosecution is 10
Assuming by 'proper prison sentence' you mean a long one, the problem isn't proof so much as identifying what she could be charged with that would attract a long sentence.
The UK government's position is that she was not made stateless by loss of her British Citizenship because at the time the decision was made she also held Bangladeshi citizenship. That said I think the argument that she should have been Britain's responsibility is a reasonable one. The problem is that she is only one of many British citizens who joined ISIS (some no doubt who were more 'involved') who had their citizenship revoked too. It was their first option even in some cases that they eventually lost in court. I can't see any way the government will allow her back to the UK now because it risks a precedent for all those other cases.
Can’t see your post, just a blank page
I'm having that trouble myself ,it's visible on a LT but my phone doesn't pick it up for some reason ? it's just happened recently so couldn't just be my phone then ?
Strange now it shows
Odd I thought Shamima was a mighty soldier of the caliphate who didn’t fear dying. In fact she embraced it as paradise awaits. She never expressed such reservations about the death penalty when her compatriot Jihadi John was happily lopping off heads live on t’internet.
Stupid religious nut job and an immense hypocrite to boot. Cry girl cry you have brought this tit upon yourself. Has allah abandoned you? How can she do this to the righteous? Why has she not sent down a heavenly angel to aid you like in the desert robb….sorry Battle of Badr? How can the almighty being allow her warriors to suffer in this way? Is it (yet another) test of faith to show your devotion? Or is it perhaps, that your father and religious teachers have sold you a bit of a lemon?
I know what I think. And may the almighty being strike me down with a bolt of lightening for taking her name in vain.
I think it’s strange they keep pushing her to the media .I thought they liked to keep themselves / ways private
Whenever I see Shamima Begum on tv and feel like I should have some sympathy for her, I cannot help but remember how this young woman described what ISIS did to her, her family and their community. This is just a single case. Nevermind the thousands of others.
I feel she would be a massive security threat, she would be the poster girl of all the British terrorists and she would lap it up.
I certainly don't want to be shopping next to her in tesco, she only changed her narrative when tit hit the fan.
I certainly don't want to be shopping next to her in tesco, she only changed her narrative when tit hit the fan.
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