Shamima Begum

[Merpedy]

More on this spy which someone else also referenced:

Spy’s statement reveals his links with Canada and ISIS

Leaks from Mohammed al-Rashed's police statement published in Turkish media outlets revealed how he aided three UK girls and other foreign nationals to...

www.dailysabah.com

Self-styled Canadian spy with DAESH link faces 26 years in prison

Turkish media reported that Muhammad al-Rasheed, a Syrian arrested in March in Turkey for smuggling foreign DAESH recruits into Syria and who confessed to...

www.dailysabah.com

Honestly this is hardly ground breaking. It’s someone who found a way to abuse his position. I’m surprised that the news isn’t running with some refugee headline instead tbh

 

[Wackie Jeaver]

More on this spy which someone else also referenced:

Spy’s statement reveals his links with Canada and ISIS

Leaks from Mohammed al-Rashed's police statement published in Turkish media outlets revealed how he aided three UK girls and other foreign nationals to...

www.dailysabah.com

Self-styled Canadian spy with DAESH link faces 26 years in prison

Turkish media reported that Muhammad al-Rasheed, a Syrian arrested in March in Turkey for smuggling foreign DAESH recruits into Syria and who confessed to...

www.dailysabah.com

Honestly this is hardly ground breaking. It’s someone who found a way to abuse his position. I’m surprised that the news isn’t running with some refugee headline instead tbh

Coz it's the Begum witch. I honestly dont know what the answer is wrt her, but it will all rumble on I guess.

 

[Salacious]

This spy stuff was in the public domain for five years! CBC reported it, hardly groundbreaking as others say.

She doesn't deserve the time of day but no doubt ITV will pull up a chair/sofa and invite her to Loose Jihadi Women.

 

[NeverEnough]

I’m watching BBC news coverage of this and I’m confused why it matters that a smuggler was used. Of course it was, that’s just common sense and I’m sure it’s been revealed already by anyone else who ran

Absolutely right. It doesn’t matter in the slightest. In order to get to Syria she had to use a smuggler. Syria is a warzone with a closed border. You don’t just land in Turkey and walk across the border singing “Holiday! Celebrate!”. But to use phrases like “smuggler”, “trafficked”, “groomed”, and “minor”, produces the purely emotional response that the woke hard of critical thinking want you to have. “Begum is the victim here, look at the poor abandoned BAME girl bigot”. (The real bigot of course is the monster who ran off to join an Islamic supremacist group).

There is definitely something odd happening here. This thread is bumped every few months every time she resurfaces. It’s almost like the media are trying to portray her as a tragic figure. Why? It might be something simple like Begum garners clicks. I don’t know, but it’s odd. What is the upcoming BBC podcast called? “I’m not a monster”? I wonder what the tone of that will be? (Looks at the title and ponders the mystery).

I liken this situation to Britney Griner in Russia. Who is as guilty as all hell by the way. There is a movement amongst left leaning media in the States demanding that the US government immediately intervene to swap her for a convicted Russian arms dealer nicknamed “The Merchant of Death”. Like the two are even remotely compatible. And it’s impossible to watch any of this without the words “black“, “les”, and “gender pay gap”, being thrown around like confetti. As if this makes her any less guilty. Incidentally if you are wondering why WNBA players aren’t paid anywhere near what their male counterparts are compare the attendances and TV deals of the NBA and WNBA and there is your answer. If anyone wants her to get paid purchase a subscription. Simple as that. And even given the gap Griner is a millionaire. She chose to play in Russia (and China) for several years knowing full well how repressive the regimes are. I guess she didn’t care when she was drawing a cheque.

 

[Merpedy]

Absolutely right. It doesn’t matter in the slightest. In order to get to Syria she had to use a smuggler. Syria is a warzone with a closed border. You don’t just land in Turkey and walk across the border singing “Holiday! Celebrate!”. But to use phrases like “smuggler”, “trafficked”, “groomed”, and “minor”, produces the purely emotional response that the woke hard of critical thinking want you to have. “Begum is the victim here, look at the poor abandoned BAME girl bigot”. (The real bigot of course is the monster who ran off to join an Islamic supremacist group).

There is definitely something odd happening here. This thread is bumped every few months every time she resurfaces. It’s almost like the media are trying to portray her as a tragic figure. Why? It might be something simple like Begum garners clicks. I don’t know, but it’s odd. What is the upcoming BBC podcast called? “I’m not a monster”? I wonder what the tone of that will be? (Looks at the title and ponders the mystery).

I liken this situation to Britney Griner in Russia. Who is as guilty as all hell by the way. There is a movement amongst left leaning media in the States demanding that the US government immediately intervene to swap her for a convicted Russian arms dealer nicknamed “The Merchant of Death”. Like the two are even remotely compatible. And it’s impossible to watch any of this without the words “black“, “les”, and “gender pay gap”, being thrown around like confetti. As if this makes her any less guilty. Incidentally if you are wondering why WNBA players aren’t paid anywhere near what their male counterparts are compare the attendances and TV deals of the NBA and WNBA and there is your answer. If anyone wants her to get paid purchase a subscription. Simple as that. And even given the gap Griner is a millionaire. She chose to play in Russia (and China) for several years knowing full well how repressive the regimes are. I guess she didn’t care when she was drawing a cheque.

Re the I’m not the Monster podcast. Is it a continuation of the one that already exists?

The first season, assuming it is, covered an American family if I remember right. I still walked away thinking that the mother was guilty and unsure of her account of events. However, given the media trying to give Shamima empathetic coverage… I could see it being pushed in that way in the podcast

I wonder who’s behind her to get this media attention and why they haven’t started a whole campaign instead. I’m sure the story gets clicks but the reporting makes me go

 

[Ensay]

I'm sure she'll eventually get back here, but I don't think she should be allowed.

What message does it send to anyone considering doing the same? You can leave the UK, join a terrorist group that has led numerous attacks on the UK and then come back if you feel like it.

She lost her citizenship for a good reason and she shouldn't get it back.

 

[monga]

https://news.sky.com/story/is-bride...citizenship-to-begin-in-london-court-12752158IS bride Shamima Begum's appeal to restore UK citizenship to begin in London court

 

[thegirlscout]

https://news.sky.com/story/is-bride...citizenship-to-begin-in-london-court-12752158IS bride Shamima Begum's appeal to restore UK citizenship to begin in London courtView attachment 1747853

She’ll probably get it back which will make us look weak.

 

[monga]

She’ll probably get it back which will make us look weak.

They seem to be searching for every loophole they can find .

 

[Salacious]

She’ll probably get it back which will make us look weak.

Stint on 'I'm a celeb' next year.

 

[Moth]

They seem to be searching for every loophole they can find .

Isn't that what you would expect her legal team to do?

 

[Megansnarkle]

They seem to be searching for every loophole they can find .

I think you mean legal argument. Not loophole.

 

[monga]

Isn't that what you would expect her legal team to do?

I thought they exhausted every avenue last time? Isn’t there a cut off to what a legal team can reveal if the government want it kept quiet.

I think you mean legal argument. Not loophole.

Well the Canadian is just another loophole imo, why wasn’t that argument put forward last time? Somebody is determined to get her back if they’re searching for things the government preferred to keep hidden.

 

[emm]

Stint on 'I'm a celeb' next year.

Would she be more or less popular than matt Hancock

 

[Merpedy]

Well the Canadian is just another loophole imo, why wasn’t that argument put forward last time? Somebody is determined to get her back if they’re searching for things the government preferred to keep hidden.

This sort of seems to misunderstand what the role of lawyers is in these sort of situations?

I’m not on Shamima’s in all of this but realistically it’s a human rights issue and every avenue should be explored - really it goes for any legal issue

 

[monga]

This sort of seems to misunderstand what the role of lawyers is in these sort of situations?

I’m not on Shamima’s in all of this but realistically it’s a human rights issue and every avenue should be explored - really it goes for any legal issue

Does the human rights issue only apply to her and not those she's classed as a danger to ? why wasn't the spy brought up in her previous hearings it's not a recent development ?

Video shows UK girls being aided in joining ISIS by Canadian spy

While Canada remains quiet on reports that a spy allegedly working for its intelligence service helped smuggle three British girls into Syria via Turkey to...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[Megansnarkle]

I thought they exhausted every avenue last time? Isn’t there a cut off to what a legal team can reveal if the government want it kept quiet.


Well the Canadian is just another loophole imo, why wasn’t that argument put forward last time? Somebody is determined to get her back if they’re searching for things the government preferred to keep hidden.

As far as I understand and I admit to not following it in detail, her appeal last time was on the ability of the Government to effectively make her stateless by removing her British citizenship. She had other grounds of appeal but I believe they were stayed (put on hold), that stay has been lifted, and now the appeal on other grounds is to go ahead.

So these aren't arguments that should or could have been put forward before.

 

[monga]

As far as I understand and I admit to not following it in detail, her appeal last time was on the ability of the Government to effectively make her stateless by removing her British citizenship. She had other grounds of appeal but I believe they were stayed (put on hold), that stay has been lifted, and now the appeal on other grounds is to go ahead.

So theses aren't arguments that should or could have been put forward before.

Aw ok , I thought she wanted to return before I didn’t realise this was her first application .

 

[Megansnarkle]

Aw ok , I thought she wanted to return before I didn’t realise this was her first application .

There was an appeal about whether she should be allowed to return to take part in the appeal but that was refused, so I understand she's now having to do that from Syria.

 

[monga]

So the British gov conspired with Canadian to cover up the fact they used these girls to infiltrate ISIS ?