I don't think anyone is denying abuse like that happened/happens. But people wanted to know where the childline rumours came from as they seem extremely far-fetched.
I don't think anyone is denying abuse like that happened/happens. But people wanted to know where the childline rumours came from as they seem extremely far-fetched.I think the childline thing was more about identifying potential victims who wouldn’t be believed, and were from vulnerable backgrounds - therefore ripe to abuse and exploit more. I’m horrified at all these posters laughing and sneering about it to be honest.
My relative was in a children’s home in the 70’s and there were a few boys that were taken out on the evenings by men in suits- with the full cooperation of the staff. My uncle says they all lived in absolute fear of being ‘picked’ and would act as mouthy and wild as possible as they seemed to prefer the quiet ones.
I’m confused why people think this is beyond the realms of possibility, I guess you’re lucky it seems so ridiculous.
OMG. But I guess if designed to shock is the goal he succeeded? And in the scheme of things he has looked far worse!!I’ve seen it so you have to…. Ignore the tweet but the video
Nobody doubts that vulnerable children are preyed on. Nobody thinks that is ridiculous. But accusing Esther R in setting up Childline to facilitate child abuse is ridiculous. Because she had heard rumours that Saville was dodgy, what was she meant to do if the establishment were involved, one woman. Wogan wouldn’t have JS near Children in Need, why didn’t he do something? Louis Theroux flat out asked JS if he was a child abuser. Why didn’t he do something rather than make an entertaining programme. I have heard all sorts of rumours about colleagues. I wouldn’t go to HR, I only have rumours, I would be looked at with disbelief.I think the childline thing was more about identifying potential victims who wouldn’t be believed, and were from vulnerable backgrounds - therefore ripe to abuse and exploit more. I’m horrified at all these posters laughing and sneering about it to be honest.
My relative was in a children’s home in the 70’s and there were a few boys that were taken out on the evenings by men in suits- with the full cooperation of the staff. My uncle says they all lived in absolute fear of being ‘picked’ and would act as mouthy and wild as possible as they seemed to prefer the quiet ones.
I’m confused why people think this is beyond the realms of possibility, I guess you’re lucky it seems so ridiculous.
I wouldn't put anying pass these organisations that are meant to help vulnerable people. I remember Ofcam workers being found out for sexually exploiting Haitians when they were there to provide food and safety.I don't think anyone is denying abuse like that happened/happens. But people wanted to know where the childline rumours came from as they seem extremely far-fetched.
i think, or the point is, that these things do happen, there are numerous examples of organisations where awful exploitation has gone on - but that doesn’t mean that they (a) happen everywhere or (b) that you can state categorically that it DID happen in a certain organisation with no real evidence.I wouldn't put anying pass these organisations that are meant to help vulnerable people. I remember Ofcam workers being found out for sexually exploiting Haitians when they were there to provide food and safety.
Ex model, Halima Aden, said that international charities that were meant to help vulnerable children in her homeland of Somalia, would actually exploit them, including herself. Then force them into taking contrived photos were they looked malnourished, but appeared grateful for the assistence.
The article is saying what we have on here for ages. It makes a point of mentioning YMU management, his aggressive PR people and ITV being desperate to protect their big four of A&D and Phil and Holly. I wonder why they have published this story now.I have a really hard time with how he was let away with everything he did. I don't have any interest in watching them any more. Dec was grand on his own - well I know he had cohosts like Holly - but it worked.
The way Ant treated his ex wife was unforgivable and I'm certain that she went through hell living with him at the height of his addiction. I'm delighted for her that she got the house and that huge payout. She deserved it and more.
Interesting that Caroline was brought into that. She was treated very differently.
Oh no, I never said it DID happen. I never said that... I just said I wouldn't put it pass any of these so called charities... What I mean to say is that we shouldn't outright refute it because it's far-fetched, because these things have happened. It doesn't mean it's true, but it also doesn't mean that there's no possibility that it could be.i think, or the point is, that these things do happen, there are numerous examples of organisations where awful exploitation has gone on - but that doesn’t mean that they (a) happen everywhere or (b) that you can state categorically that it DID happen in a certain organisation with no real evidence.
sorry i wasn’t saying that you said it, just referring back to what the conversation strand was, apologies! i realise i used “you” when i meant a more general “you”.Oh no, I never said it DID happen. I never said that... I just said I wouldn't put it pass any of these so called charities... What I mean to say is that we shouldn't outright refute it because it's far-fetched, because these things have happened. It doesn't mean it's true, but it also doesn't mean that there's no possibility that it could be.
"Google it".Yes, let me spent my time and energy for free doing all that only for Tattle to remove the post like they have with two other posts on related topics. (Not blaming tattle: their site, their rules).
There’s always going to be PRs, trolls and reputation clean up bots that show up when it comes to these contentious issues, desperate to change the tide and narrative to protect their establishments and entities. It’s particularly purile in this case when it amounts to pretty much trying to shield child predators and child predator protectors.
I need to scrub myself down down, seriously have the ick.
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I love that you have the free time on your hands to remember this!! You could always spend some of that free time googling sites away from tattle to find the info for yourself, as you’re so passionate about this topic.
It’s not going to be in mainstream media, is it.
He does some of the songs on a CBeebies show called Katie’s amazing machines (or it could be grace’s because they changed presenter). I love it just for thatRe Justin Hawkins. I followed the band from before they broke big, Justin went a bit nuts but got clean and has a pretty good take on the industry. Settled down, had a couple of kids and can’t still put on an amazing show sober.
his brother Dan had testicular cancer a few years ago but recovered. Also a lovely guy, married with a couple of daughters, one of whom is diabetic and he does a lot of fund raising for them.
Justin is one of those exceptionally quick witted, huge personalities. I recall moaning at him once that he never turned up at any of the after parties I was at. He looked at me, smiled and said “Oh darling! I don’t go to any of those things’.
Yeah, the abuses described are 100% believable, but the idea that Childline was set up to facilitate that doesn't really pass the smell test.That I have no trouble believing and we already know is true, the setting up of childline and crimewatch however just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
Sams starting to get on my nerves, whoever told them it was a brilliant idea surely was taking the piss?I'm getting there. Seems very try hard and attention seeking, another Sam Smith.
Exactly this. No one is denying that organised abuse occurs to a horrifying degree, but the unsubstantiated insistence that Childline and Crimewatch were operating as some form of shielding organisation doesn’t hold water.Yeah, the abuses described are 100% believable, but the idea that Childline was set up to facilitate that doesn't really pass the smell test.
Pop stars & musicians trying to shock and push boundaries is nothing new. I grew up in the late 80s/early 90s and Madonna was the queen of it them with her cone bras and her coffee table Sex book. Sam is just another in a long line! I guess things have moved on so much through that it’s getting harder and harder to shock people so the more niche activities are about the only thing that’ll get a reaction!I miss the days when Sam Smith was a harmless and relatively boring soul singer. Not sure what to make of this latest version, is it meant to be sexy? To be fair, Sam is not the only one guilty of this, there are a lot of singers who try to be sexy but just come off as sleazy and they seem to have copied everything they do and wear from porn. Whatever happened to the idea of sexy being an attitude rather than just getting as naked as you can and being suggestive?
Louis got a lot of flak for being "friendly" (up to a point) with Savile after his death and Louis says he regrets that naive mindset he had - he did genuinely think he was "odd / eccentric" but nowhere near as horrific as he turned out to be. No doubt there are horrible internet rumours about Louis, just because he believed someone was eccentric but not that bad (it's a nice trait to give a maligned character a chance, even if misguided, in this case).Louis Theroux flat out asked JS if he was a child abuser. Why didn’t he do something rather than make an entertaining programme. I have heard all sorts of rumours about colleagues. I wouldn’t go to HR, I only have rumours, I would be looked at with disbelief.
I was really surprised that the comments are all gunning for the Daily Mail for saying this. I assumed a lot of people knew about the alleged cocaine abuse. I put a comment on there but it wasn’t published. Surprise surprise! The PR machine has done it’s job well, it would seem.The article is saying what we have on here for ages. It makes a point of mentioning YMU management, his aggressive PR people and ITV being desperate to protect their big four of A&D and Phil and Holly. I wonder why they have published this story now.
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