Sara Sharif case

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US also admits savagely beating her but denies the other abuse - which includes the bite we know he can’t have done due to the impressions. I’m inclined to believe there is truth to his claim based on the evidence we have supporting it. It’s also clearly not a case of abusive man trying to pin it all on woman as he is admitting a very large role in it all.
I find it strange he won't admit the burning with an iron when he has documented previous history of doing the exact same thing to someone else. He seems to think he's one step ahead of all the evidence.
I must admit I started off thinking BB did most of the abuse so trying to get my head around everything. The level of abuse is sickening, whoever did it.
 
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Jurors also heard that Sharif had been raised in Pakistan and that his parents had not instilled a disciplinarian regime towards their children. He admitted that his ideas of discipline, which he used against Sara, had “come from him”.
I don't believe him when he says his parents weren't disciplinarian. I just don't think it's believable looking at the culture and the remote village that he comes from.

I wonder if he's saying that because he wants his father to have custody of all the children, so needs to pretend that his father isn't the same as him so the children won't get taken away from him.
 
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I find it strange he won't admit the burning with an iron when he has documented previous history of doing the exact same thing to someone else. He seems to think he's one step ahead of all the evidence.
I must admit I started off thinking BB did most of the abuse so trying to get my head around everything. The level of abuse is sickening, whoever did it.
I think, like a lot of abusive bullies, he's never in his life really been challenged before because he only enters relationships in which people are scared of him. So he's used to being able to tell flagrant lies without consequence or manipulate the truth as he sees fit.

Being cross-examined by someone who is not only far, far more intelligent than him, but is also a WOMAN, and a woman who's clearly not scared of him, must be an entirely new experience, and not a very welcome one either.

Ha. Good. bleep.
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I don't believe him when he says his parents weren't disciplinarian. I just don't think it's believable looking at the culture and the remote village that he comes from.
I believe him especially if he's the first born son cos in that type of culture the first born son is treated like a mini deity who can do no wrong and the girls basically trained to be his servants.
 
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Being cross-examined by someone who is not only far, far more intelligent than him, but is also a WOMAN, and a woman who's clearly not scared of him, must be an entirely new experience, and not a very welcome one either.

Ha. Good. bleep.
Couldn't have said it better myself! It's a culture that we really shouldn't be welcoming in this country.
 
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I believe him especially if he's the first born son cos in that type of culture the first born son is treated like a mini deity who can do no wrong and the girls basically trained to be his servants.
That's what I mean, even if he wasn't disciplined himself, he would have seen his sisters (I assume he has sisters as I assume he comes from a large family) and women in the family being treated poorly.
 
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That's what I mean, even if he wasn't disciplined himself, he would have seen his sisters (I assume he has sisters as I assume he comes from a large family) and women in the family being treated poorly.
Probably, so he continued the family tradition. He probably doesn't think it counts when it's done to women and girls.
 
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I don't believe him when he says his parents weren't disciplinarian. I just don't think it's believable looking at the culture and the remote village that he comes from.

I wonder if he's saying that because he wants his father to have custody of all the children, so needs to pretend that his father isn't the same as him so the children won't get taken away from him.
At risk of being told this thread is only for the trial, I don’t think there is all that much SS/the British authorities can do while the kids are in Pakistan. Anything would rely on the authorities there showing willing to cooperate and I’m not sure they’re going to get that. I suspect if they could have got even just Sara’s full brother back, they would have already. The chance was lost when SS NFA’d the school report and the family were able to ultimately leave the country.
 
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Couldn't have said it better myself! It's a culture that we really shouldn't be welcoming in this country.
Misogyny is endemic in most cultures including the cultures from this country, it’s really a global issue. It’s not even a hate crime in the UK.
 
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I don’t think there is all that much SS/the British authorities can do while the kids are in Pakistan. Anything would rely on the authorities there showing willing to cooperate and I’m not sure they’re going to get that.
Exactly this. It’s been a year-long battle so far.

Maybe it would be different if Sara’s mother had custody of the son, but she doesn’t.

 
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The barrister asked Sharif whether he agreed with his statement yesterday that he hit Sara severely and repeatedly with the cricket bat with the intention to hurt her. Today he denied intending to inflict the injuries on her.

Sharif was about the hoods found at the address. Sharif denied that this were used on Sara.

Mr Emlyn-Jones asked Sharif about the packing tape. Yesterday he accepted that he beat her up while she was taped up, but today did not and Mr Emlyn-Jones asked who was responsible for tying Sara up?


So he's now denying everything? Idiot. The Guildford press have updates for today.
 
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On the iron burn - seems he will stoop low enough to blame his children, whilst claiming his brother had no idea.

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So the prosecutor has now questioned Urfan - who is just admitting and denying whatever he feels like at the time.
Guildford dragon reported yesterday US admitted strangling Sara with the Belt and with his hands.
I’m not sure we will get to BB’s cross-exam this week, makes sense to start on Monday.
 
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On the iron burn - seems he will stoop low enough to blame his children, whilst claiming his brother had no idea.

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It's not bleeping possible that everything was separate from the brother. I live in a 3 bedroom house, I only have 2 kids. I know where they are and what they're doing in the house at all times. I know if they're fighting, I know if their Dad is telling them off and what for... I can hear one of them sneezing right now! You cannot be in a normal sized house and not know what is happening.
 
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The only way children (four of whom are younger than Sara, one being a baby!) would hurt another child in such a horrific way is if they are conditioned to do it, or forced in fear of them being hurt instead.

I don’t believe it was a child but, if so, their so-called parents are still to blame.
 
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Misogyny is endemic in most cultures including the cultures from this country, it’s really a global issue. It’s not even a hate crime in the UK.
I do think it's fair though to say that some cultures are more deeply misogynistic than others. I understand why native Brits feel shy about saying that (not talking about you specifically lovely Hotes, just thinking about media discourse in general) and maybe I have more air cover as being visibly not ethnically British but yeah, places like Pakistan, loads of the Middle East, rural India and the Indian subcontinent, parts of Central Asia - women are just NOT valued the same, sometimes not even in law, definitely not in culture.

On Islam specifically, I fully understand why people want to tread carefully but a few years ago I read an essay by a theologian (can't recall who, Theo Hobson possibly, or possibly it was actually Dawkins) who made the brilliant point that Islam, unlike Christianity, has never been through a Reformation. The Christian Reformation had all sorts of long term beneficial consequences that echoed down the centuries, the most important one being the separation of church and state which meant that laws could be made from a humanist perspective and no longer with reference to what the Bible and the Pope said. This directly allowed western societies to make equality laws for women, gay people, abortion access etc.

Islam on the other hand has never (yet!) been through a Reformation and so, at its most conservative, culture (and in Islamic theocracies like Afghanistan, the actual law of the land) is made directly with reference to the Koran, just like the West used to do in the Middle Ages. This means that the cultural frameworks provide attitudes to women which were relevant for a very aggressive nomadic conquering tribal society, which is the societies where Islam started. So this is where you end up with laws like men can have multiple wives, cos that makes sense in the context of a tribal society (more women than men due to the early Islamic societies constantly invading, fighting and dying) and women being worth half of men in law.

I don't think we should be ashamed of examining this stuff and there are brilliant Muslims and former Muslims like the magnificent Ayaan Hirsi Ali who expound on this in great deal. I understand what people are doing when they pretend that all misogyny is the same and western democratic misogynists are just as misogynistic as the Taliban leaders, but it's just not true, I think everyone knows it's not true, and ultimately it stops us having the frank conversations that might save the next Sara Sharif.
 
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I have been following the Sara case closely and like so many ,the level of sadism bestowed upon that beautiful innocent child has shook me to the core,more so as it was perpetuated by those who were meant to love her the most. Its fundamentally so wrong, cruel and inhumame, it goes against everything that is ingrained in normal people without having the need to be taught.@Moldwarp ive thoroughly appreciated your views and unbiased well thought opinions on this case,you write extremely well and its nice to hear snippets from someone who has hailed from a similar ethnic background who has come throught the other side and has obviously grown from it best wishes to youx
 
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Farkin 'ell this is crazy, so US is now totally going back on what he said before about how Sara died and there's even a veiled accusation that he and BB are trying to collude (through glances) whilst he's on the stand?

I know this is tiny compared with what Sara went thru but I feel sorry for US barrister Naeem Mian, what a bleepin nightmare of a client and poor Naeem will have had to totally change his strategy since US outburst on Wednesday, man must not have slept for 48 hours

Naeem Mian gets to question his client again this pm, I presume to try and make some sense out of how US appears to be admitting causing Sara's death but refusing to change his current Not Guilty plea

Mad stuff. Mad!

ETA the crown prosecutor William Emlyn-Jones KC is my hero, man is doing God's work, literally. You can feel his outrage through his questions
 
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