I can't comprehend how anyone can do that to a child. You're supposed to love your children, it's against nature to want to hurt them. Poor Sara, she will have been in incredible pain.
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Urfan’s.
Looks like they are going to blame each other, apart from the Uncle who didn’t see anything untoward. They strike me as devious by how they have tried to do a (tit) job of trying to cover themselves (legally punished her…what happened was an incident) but they’re not as clever as they imagine they are.
Hopefully the charges are written in a joint enterprise way so that won’t work, I haven’t read them yet.
Hopefully the charges are written in a joint enterprise way so that won’t work, I haven’t read them yet.
Honestly this case is so distressing. I am forcing myself to keep up with it because that little baby girl lived it. Its not good enough for me to turn away.
I just cannot comprehend this. I can understand (well I cant) but losing it for a second and delivering one fatal blow, but this sustained abuse. Why? Because she was female? Because she was mixed race? Or just because they could. Rest in peace Sara. You deserved so much more.
I just cannot comprehend this. I can understand (well I cant) but losing it for a second and delivering one fatal blow, but this sustained abuse. Why? Because she was female? Because she was mixed race? Or just because they could. Rest in peace Sara. You deserved so much more.
I remember many years ago a close work colleague had been on jury service. I asked her about her experience because I had loved doing mine. She obviously wasn't allowed to go into too much detail but it has eventually lasted three weeks and it was a child sexual abuse trial. She said the whole thing had been traumatising. I guess about six months later or so she was signed off work with anxiety and depression. We met up for a cuppa and the toll that trial had taken was so visible. She's never been the same since and never came back to the job. More support is needed post trial for jurors. We have no specialist training or counselling. One minute you are living your life, then next you can potentially be exposed to unimaginable inhumane acts. How can anyone stay on an even keel after that?
I'd refuse to do it. I'd rather go to prison for contempt of court
I wonder if they will take the stand
I bet they will be too cowardly for that.
Answering my own question, each of the defendants has been charged with murder and each charged with causing or allowing the death of a child.
I guess we can see why they were confident in charging for murder; you can’t do this tit and expect any other outcome.
I guess we can see why they were confident in charging for murder; you can’t do this tit and expect any other outcome.
I have seen a picture on X of her siblings and her brother is her double
A journalist in Pakistan posted this and he looked so sad
Every time we follow a trial like this I think it’s the worst one, but this really is beyond comprehension. Especially as we probably don’t hear half of the reality of it due to reporting restrictions.
It‘s easy to blame SS, schools, neighbours, the government, et al, but I despair of ever finding a solution while there are “parents“ who are prepared to treat their children like this.
It‘s easy to blame SS, schools, neighbours, the government, et al, but I despair of ever finding a solution while there are “parents“ who are prepared to treat their children like this.
Social services is as inadequate as the NHS. This is not the fault of the people on the ground, nurses, doctors and social workers do an amazing job... my own family is a social worker success.
But social services isn't beloved like the NHS is so no one gives a tit. We stand around clapping for the NHS whilst 100 year old men drag themselves round their gardens but social services gets none of this. It's bizarre to me.
But social services isn't beloved like the NHS is so no one gives a tit. We stand around clapping for the NHS whilst 100 year old men drag themselves round their gardens but social services gets none of this. It's bizarre to me.
I have seen so many news articles where all they say is “where were SS, why didn’t the school/neighbours report it, they have blood on their hands” and it makes me sad that none of this blame is levelled at the actual perpetrators
It’s complex, Anyone who has read about the case thinks they are monsters, it goes without saying really. But it does also throw up questions about the processes in place to protect children and why they haven’t worked in this case and it is important to look at that side of things in order to find flaws and improve practice.
The problem is that like @Emsie said people don’t view safeguarding services In the same way as they view the NHS so there is no desire to actually pour money into a improvement of the system. The majority of people don’t have involvement in these services (and those that do are often vulnerable in some way) in the same way they do with the NHS so they don’t really care all that much beyond saying they are angry when cases like this come up in the news before moving on with their lives, it doesn’t impact them.
We don’t really know what went on with regards to the school, social services or the local LEA with regards to Sara. We don’t know if she saw any medical professionals (unless I have missed something) and things were missed. This is an area I am interested in for various reasons but of course those on trial bear the ultimate responsibility for what happened to Sara.
The problem is that like @Emsie said people don’t view safeguarding services In the same way as they view the NHS so there is no desire to actually pour money into a improvement of the system. The majority of people don’t have involvement in these services (and those that do are often vulnerable in some way) in the same way they do with the NHS so they don’t really care all that much beyond saying they are angry when cases like this come up in the news before moving on with their lives, it doesn’t impact them.
We don’t really know what went on with regards to the school, social services or the local LEA with regards to Sara. We don’t know if she saw any medical professionals (unless I have missed something) and things were missed. This is an area I am interested in for various reasons but of course those on trial bear the ultimate responsibility for what happened to Sara.
I’ve made dozens of adult safeguarding referrals over the years through my job/s. None of them have ever successfully resulted in a vulnerable adult being kept safe in any way. It’s a bit more of a complicated beast when it’s adults rather than children, but I didn’t make any of those referrals ‘just because’ or to cover my own back. I made those referrals because a vulnerable person was at risk. I don’t necessarily blame the social workers I interacted with, I blame their impossible caseloads and their extreme reluctance to engage with anyone who is a little more complex to work with. But it’s really easy to see how precarious the whole system is. Some of the stuff I reported is the sort of stuff that still keeps me awake at night sometimes.
People like to blame SS for not acting, when we are all to blame. People don't like paying taxes so they vote for the parties that promise tax cuts, small government, minimal intervention into family life. No one ever really thinks that they are responsible for those cuts but if you've ever voted for a party that promised low taxes, this is the very direct result of that. Social services are massively overstretched, case loads are huge and unmanageable and the people that staff it can't cope and burn out or if they don't burn out, they've stopped caring or never did.
This! No service can operate effectively on peanuts. When the peanuts have been reduced every single year since 2008/2009, with no current end in sight, there’s hardly any more peanuts!
The reality is that public services as a whole have been stretched beyond their capabilities. No one wants to pay more tax, council tax or NI. And governments regardless of party have misspent funds. And invariably there are also issues at the head of those services.
So this is a consequence of that. We have paid peanuts, and we have got monkeys!
And then everyone clutches their pearls exclaiming that they just can't believe it and blames social workers meanwhile, in Sara's case, there were ample opportunities to intervene from members of the public.
Honestly makes me mad.
If you know social workers, you know how bad it is. The workload is totally impossible, all of the time.
Often in these cases you find that the violence escalates at some point just before the death, so whilst there may have been mistreatment or occasional violence ongoing for years, something causes it to leap to horrific levels kind of suddenly.
I do think people have to remember that it is the parents and caregivers fault. It’s sad that opportunities for the public, school, SS were missed, but not half as sad that her own father and his family did this.
Often in these cases you find that the violence escalates at some point just before the death, so whilst there may have been mistreatment or occasional violence ongoing for years, something causes it to leap to horrific levels kind of suddenly.
I do think people have to remember that it is the parents and caregivers fault. It’s sad that opportunities for the public, school, SS were missed, but not half as sad that her own father and his family did this.
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