I feel sympathy for the neighbour because in some areas you would fear to report concerns in case you became a target. The neighbour is giving evidence in court from behind a screen and as I understand it you only get to do that if there have been serious and credible threats against your safety (or if you're a member of the secret service which I doubt she is!)Agree. Or because they hit her so hard that she was unconscious.
I’ve said it before that it’s not the neighbour’s fault at all, but I couldn’t live with myself now if I’d been the ones to not do anything
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2 siblings? I thought she had 5 brothers/sisters? There's the bio brother, the twins and I think two others?
Not very reassuring that the MP is all over it, is it? Can’t even get the number of children right.
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It’s a bit late for tears. Does seem to back up that it was BB who was the instigator, but nothing forgives him turning a blind eye.
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The neighbour must be finding it hard to admit that she wanted to phone SS but didn't, that's something that she will regret forever but it's not her fault, it's those guys who are on trial who have murdered her in the most brutal of ways.
How's he able to just walk out of the dock?
Because he's technically innocent until or unless the jury decides otherwise
Whilst the neighbours obviously can't be blamed for what happened to this child I'm astounded that they didn't report it. I don't want to judge them because not everyone is like me but when my, fully grown woman, neighbour was being beaten up by her male partner, I rang the police. I rang the police even though I knew him to be a violent criminal who had had armed police out to arrest him. I rang the police because I couldn't live with myself if he really hurt her, how can you not do that if the victim is a child?
I'm also a bit puzzled about this. Based on where they lived, it could be any one of numerous neighbours that reported them, so it's not like you'd necessarily be 'outing yourself' by calling the police.
I don’t think the general public are 100% secure in the “just call SS it’s better than not doing”. You don’t know it will be in confidence. If you’ve been knocking and asking if everything is ok, they’re going to think you called SS. Maybe it calms down a bit then flares up again, 6 kids it’s going to be noisy, it’s just a lot easier “not” to make the call.
I wouldn’t care, there’s children in that house and clearly a child being beaten/verbally abused. As an adult I’d do everything I could to put a stop to it even if it meant a risk of retribution. Cases like this and all the other child abuse/murder cases I’ve followed have only reinforced that. There’s always so many missed opportunities for these poor children.
But he's in police custody isn't he? I was confused by this too.
Pretty sure they are on remand so he will have likely just gone back to the holding cell at the Court. It's happened in other cases, possibly in the Mark Gordon/Constance Marten case.
His tears mean nothing, he's crying because he's having to face the consequences of what he did and what he allowed to happen.
I dunno, I think his tears and remorse are probably genuine. Doesn’t make him any less of an evil monster, just means that even evil monsters are human and have depth of feeling.
I have known two people who did time for manslaughter. The first one, I never asked her about it cos she was bleeping scary. The second, a much older guy, very quiet, gentle, he told me that a day didn’t go by that he didn’t think about the man he had killed.
Look at the Alfie Steel case, over 60 reports & the neighbour even saying she thought they were hurting hun in the bath yet nothing was done until it was too late
So even if the neighbours had reported, doesn’t mean she’d have been saved
So even if the neighbours had reported, doesn’t mean she’d have been saved
It doesn’t guarantee it, no, but surely it’s better than doing nothing.
There are no guarantees. I mean, do we need a public awareness campaign that beating children, starving them, not feeding them adequate nutrition and water will kill them, and land you in jail?
At least you'd take some comfort (not sure if that's the right word
)in knowing you had raised a concern. Having to live with yourself knowing you said nothing must be awful The police will attend if you ring them and tell them someone is at risk. I think people think that they won't turn up but they do and they get there quickly. So even if the child isn't removed, they will be taken to hospital by the police if they are harmed
I feel like you’d always wish you’d done more, no matter how much you did do. If you’d called social services once you’d wish you’d called twice, or three times, or called the police or whatever. I think that’s in the nature of inherently good people.At least you'd take some comfort (not sure if that's the right word
I do lay some blame with the neighbour who listened to this abuse over a period of time and did nothing.
Being frightened is no excuse. You know or are almost certain a child is being seriously beaten and abused and you do nothing? I hope that neighbour carries those screams with her for the rest of her life.
Yes the abusers are to blame for the murder however bystanders who did nothing, should feel the repercussions of their silence for the rest of their lives.
Every single one of us has a moral duty to protect those who are vulnerable. You wouldn't stand and do nothing if you saw someone abuse that child in front of you in the street so why think it's ok to ignore it just because it's through the wall.
It's incomprehensible to me.
Being frightened is no excuse. You know or are almost certain a child is being seriously beaten and abused and you do nothing? I hope that neighbour carries those screams with her for the rest of her life.
Yes the abusers are to blame for the murder however bystanders who did nothing, should feel the repercussions of their silence for the rest of their lives.
Every single one of us has a moral duty to protect those who are vulnerable. You wouldn't stand and do nothing if you saw someone abuse that child in front of you in the street so why think it's ok to ignore it just because it's through the wall.
It's incomprehensible to me.
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