Sali Hughes #22 pretty narcissistic
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I think Sali or someone from the doc made up dragging to make it seem worse because they didn't want to say gossip.
I saw this on reddit and seems quite apt:
The use of gossip and snark as a safe space for ordinary people to have a pop at the famous and powerful is millennia old. Athenian comedy had this function, so did Roman satire, so did Punch and other satire mags a couple centuries ago. It functions as a pressure valve and is very important to the health of a democracy. Otherwise, the power is all centred on the famous person who controls the narrative and reality. This is very stressful for the ordinary mass of the demos as it produces cognitive dissonance (viz. what happened in the USSR) - thus the ability to gossip and snark is vital for the functioning of a healthy society.
The libel laws in the UK are now so draconian that this pressure valve can only function effectively on gossip sites. I don’t know anything about Sali Hughes but being bitched about is part of being famous and has been since the concept of fame became a thing for Homo sapiens. Using your huge platform to complain about it is also a time honoured tactic but not a very effective one. I’ve never read any gossip forums about her but imho unless there is actual real world stalking she should just let people have their say and not read the threads herself. They are presumably not meant for her.
Although support seemed mixed a some there were calling the sali hughes threads here awful, gross and mad. But that's commonplace particularly with different tattle threads, the Jose London threads call the Lydia Millen threads awful, the scacone jolly threads call the ingahm family threads vile and everyone that doesn't post there calls the mrs hinch threads disgusting.Maybe if you just take a glancing look at thread without knowing the background
*Goes to furiously search SH goss in reddit.
OOh - found it. Actually really interesting debate going on over there and I appreciate the diversity of opinion. Especially the self reflection - because that sub is also much like Tattle - a place to vent about influencer culture. I personally believe all forums/threads dedicated to the one person has the danger of degenerating into same ol' same ol' content. Even here I think we can sometimes regurgitate the same topics and it can fee a bit "well we already talked about it". But I also don't care. Because I don't need to prove to anyone why I'm here or whether I'm a saddo for posting here. I like it. If you think I'm a raging lunatic, well, that's your prerogative. But I'll bet you've got a whole load of crazy hidden in yourself you just don't want to admit to. Call me crazy, call me devoid of life. It matters not a jot.
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I think some of the posters on Reddit are just as deluded as Sali and her acolytes. Apparently we’ve been accusing her of bullying Jeremy Corbyn?!
I can’t find anything concrete but I thought ‘dragging’ came from AAVE which stands for African American Vernacular English. Its spoken by black people in US southern states - words like periodt, tea, lit, bae, woke etc which are popular and cool now stem from this dialect. I have heard of the phrase dragging, but it’s not common in the U.K. I’ve probably heard it in vlogs by Americans and probably all younger people in their 20s. So yeah weird to see that used.
as a side point, there is some debate about whether it’s appropriation to use AAVE if youre not from a community that speaks that dialect.
www.babbel.com
as a side point, there is some debate about whether it’s appropriation to use AAVE if youre not from a community that speaks that dialect.
Is It Cultural Appropriation To Use Drag Slang And AAVE?
So you want to describe your weekend as 'lit,' but where do drag slang and AAVE words come from (and should you be using them at all)?
I actually really like some of the snark threads there. When the Caroline Calloway stuff happened last year I got sucked in and there are some incredibly witty conversations going on there. Reddit, as with all sites can be an absolute cess pit sometimes, but I learn a lot from people over there.
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Same. Honestly, it's so refreshing knowing people here see the truth and not the horrible spin the majority of people believe.
It was brought up here that Sali expressed outrage on Twitter at the type of coat Corbyn wore to the Cenotaph. No one said she was "bullying" him but her hypocrisy is astounding. How come it's fine for her to use her very public and large platform to trash a politician and his fashion choices but we can't discuss her on a niche site that loads won't even have heard of?
Oh Professor Singh I effing LOVE you!! I couldn't possibly say it so fiercly and elegantly as you but I echo every single word. Smeeth, Berger, Phillips, Creasy the pumpkin spice latte faux Labour feminists held up by their media enablers, Moran (cosplaying working class), Moore, Hyde (actual landed gentry) pooring scorn on their BAME colleagues will never, ever be forgotten (by me anyway). We see you you bunch of frauds.
Absolutely they do - and different types of interaction on social media suit different types of temperament and life circumstances. I've never wanted to share my personal life via Facebook or Instagram or get involved in the cut and thrust of Twitter, but a discussion forum about things that interest me that don't interest anyone else in my life suits me well. I like the fact that I can dip in and out of it. There's no pressure to respond quickly, or at all. I enjoy the low-level (but extremely high quality!) companionship.
There's another thread I read here but don't contribute to involving about half a dozen bright funny women. They've said a few times something like 'I couldn't have got through lockdown without you...'. And there's been a lot of talk generally about the impact of social isolation and loneliness during lockdown. I think it's possible that discussion forums have served a great purpose these past months when people's lives and opportunities for social interaction have been so curtailed.
Even from the perspective of the people who are talked about here... Isn't it, well, helpful that there's a place where the 'weirdos/arseholes/sewer rats' can have a quiet talk between themselves? Would SH really prefer to have us expressing our concerns in her much more widely viewed IG and Twitter feeds? Does she really want us to go through the official complaints procedures - so, potentially, complaining to the Guardian, the BBC, the Advertising Standards Authority, HMRC, companies with which she has a commercial relationship - rather than get it off our chest here?
I think she might think that the alternatives are a) we talk here or b) we shut up. They're not. The alternatives are a) we talk here or b) we talk elsewhere. I can't think how to say that in a way that doesn't sound sort of threatening - but I do know that if people are disgruntled it will be expressed in some way. It could be that Tattle is the least bad option.
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Didn't she say something like her children were upset that Corbyn wore a navy coat to the memorial?
Which would make them more upset about that than their parent's divorce, IIRC from SH twitter of old.
I should clarify - I seem to recall on here someone posted a screenshot over the upset re JC's state of dress. This versus a tweet where she describes one of her kids ironically stating (and I paraphrase) "we'll never love again" or something as a demonstration that they were completely fine with having divorced parents.
Incidentally, re the suggestion that we all get on a Whatsapp group. I seem to remember that being suggested here as a solution for SH, IH, CM, etc so they could slag people off and not leave receipts. For someone who doesn't read here, she sure gets a lot of identical ideas.
OH AND! Someone already said it but it bears reiterating - SH said don't follow her if we don't like her. I don't click on anything of hers and Journalist, heal thyself. She absolutely could avoid here and avoid any mention of here if she so chose.
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Absolutely speechless. What a head.
I've been reading here for a while but never contributed being the lurker I am. I find the way Sali has reacted extraordinary. It boils down to someone who's a bit bitchy and catty being annoyed that others are a bit bitchy and catty about her. Part and parcel of celebrity culture. I'm worried the entitlement some people have with social media to silence anything they don't like the sound of and the effects that will have. I can see why Sali is annoyed as she want's to project this whiter than white person always doing good but this isn't true. So she gets angry with people talking uncomfortable truths. I knew that a coupl of days after the documentary she would be making a song and dance of her charity work. She's timed it all deliberately. I'm not saying the charity work is bad as of course it is, but it's also a tool to boost her that she benefits greatly from and is always mention along side any of her as if to shout shes a good person beyond reproach. I find it all rather amusing. But shame on beeb for green lighting it all.
Despite calling herself a digital specialist, Sali's digital info is very outdated and old fashioned. For instance, she suggests we set up a what's app group to discuss her. And how are we supposed to do that? Put a notice in our local newsagent "What's app group to discuss influencers, message xxxx if interested". None of my friends in real life are interested in influencer culture and I'd bet it's the same for many. The digital era makes it so easy to connect to people with the same interests so you're not boring people in real life. Regardless of time zone, etc, there's a wealth of like minded people out there. And you don't need to travel to talk to them or give out your number.
She obviously has an image of chat rooms back in the 90s- e.g a trucker called Eric from Alabama masquerading as someone else. Hence the passive aggressive "affluent looking" comment. Now I'm not saying that doesn't exist anymore, of course it does, but it's so common for everyday normal people to use forums etc. Sali thinks internet people= weirdos
But conversely, she still wants us to have no privacy whatsoever. She thinks anon accounts should be banned. Most people are good but there is of course going to be the occasional weirdo, hence why forums tend to have usernames and avatars. Equally, its not just about cyber security and wanting to "troll influencers" under the guise of anonymity- it's sometimes about wanting to have a vent about your partner or boss on a forum and them not knowing that Ilovecats2020 is you
She really hasn't a clue and her documentary was about as insightful as an episode of the Teletubbies
She obviously has an image of chat rooms back in the 90s- e.g a trucker called Eric from Alabama masquerading as someone else. Hence the passive aggressive "affluent looking" comment. Now I'm not saying that doesn't exist anymore, of course it does, but it's so common for everyday normal people to use forums etc. Sali thinks internet people= weirdos
But conversely, she still wants us to have no privacy whatsoever. She thinks anon accounts should be banned. Most people are good but there is of course going to be the occasional weirdo, hence why forums tend to have usernames and avatars. Equally, its not just about cyber security and wanting to "troll influencers" under the guise of anonymity- it's sometimes about wanting to have a vent about your partner or boss on a forum and them not knowing that Ilovecats2020 is you
She really hasn't a clue and her documentary was about as insightful as an episode of the Teletubbies
What did Marina say - I've missed this?
Thank you
I wonder what Caitlin Moran would think of what I've written - it seems like the sort of thing she'd write herself.
I have also ended up here due to the BBC article/ad for her radio thing.
On reading it I knew something sounded off. I know the difference between a gossip forum and a troll. Unfortunately the BBC does not, but hey what do facts and accuracy matter in this day and age.
I had never heard of this site before, or SalI Hughes. One google search found this.
I have only really come across gossip sites when a blogger/vlogger/influencer has said something that seemed a bit off. Like something was not quite adding up or they completely contradicted something they said in the past.
I was really taken in by influencers in my younger years. I genuinely thought they were just normal people like me, in their bedrooms giving honest reviews of products.
I actually think these influencers (and that’s what SalI Hughes seems to be, not a journalist) have a huge negative impact on so many aspects of modern culture. It’s a bit different now they should declare ads, but the lines are still so blurred.
Forums like this are important. Everyone in society should be held up for scrutiny somewhere. OK there may be some very dry cutting humour mixed in, but at the heart of it is that many people find places like this not because they are looking to bash influencers but because they trusted someone and that trust was broken. They go looking for the truth and find like minded people.
On reading it I knew something sounded off. I know the difference between a gossip forum and a troll. Unfortunately the BBC does not, but hey what do facts and accuracy matter in this day and age.
I had never heard of this site before, or SalI Hughes. One google search found this.
I have only really come across gossip sites when a blogger/vlogger/influencer has said something that seemed a bit off. Like something was not quite adding up or they completely contradicted something they said in the past.
I was really taken in by influencers in my younger years. I genuinely thought they were just normal people like me, in their bedrooms giving honest reviews of products.
I actually think these influencers (and that’s what SalI Hughes seems to be, not a journalist) have a huge negative impact on so many aspects of modern culture. It’s a bit different now they should declare ads, but the lines are still so blurred.
Forums like this are important. Everyone in society should be held up for scrutiny somewhere. OK there may be some very dry cutting humour mixed in, but at the heart of it is that many people find places like this not because they are looking to bash influencers but because they trusted someone and that trust was broken. They go looking for the truth and find like minded people.
It's almost as if someone like her with power want's to silence all those pesky peasants
Although in fairness to her she said on 5 live yesterday she wasn't calling for anonymity to be taken away from online accounts as they can have a therapeutic purpose. But I figure she must have said something else another time to contradict that?
Many find tattle therapeutic - people that were hooked on spraying their house every hour with chemicals that make their families sick here find a community of people that now see the cleaning influencers to what they are. Countless people have said how much tattle has helped during such a difficult year. Yet here Sali is saying it should be closed down.
No. You are insightful and intelligent. She writes about using towels as loo roll.Thank you
I wonder what Caitlin Moran would think of what I've written - it seems like the sort of thing she'd write herself.
Exactly! She also tweets after having had a particularly satisfying ‘dump’. Behold feminism in 2020.
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