Sali Hughes #15 Ugg slipper, a red lip, when dressing for Leonard don't let standards slip

[121212]

No, I believe she was quietly making her presence felt - I've found you, I see you. It was supposed to be menacing I think.

 

[Brian Butterfield]

The forum was pretty much dead after the troll episode a couple of years ago. Many regular posters moved elsewhere (I guess Facebook, Whatsapp, whatever). Alkistis knew loads about sunscreen and was in the SPF 50 every day even indoors camp, whereas Sali was more lenient. I found her a bit intimidating tbh.



I'll just leave this here...
I guess this makes me a jealous, broken troll, but I find this really misleading.

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(also: yes, there is such a thing as too much ring light)

Someone, PLEASE comment that it's Botox and a ring light!!

And agreed, far too much ring light there, she's glowing so hard you could see her from space.

 

[LennyBriscoe]

I've never has less free time! I'm working from home and everything is taking me twice as long to do because stress/anxiety/remote work system crapness. I'm trying to homeschool (badly) and am doing almost everything else as my partner is chronically busy in a very stressful job. I exfoliated my feet this morning....whoop. My house is a tip.

I could have written this! I said to my husband this morning that tomorrow I was going to dry and straighten my hair just for giggles. I’m not sure I’ll be arsed though! I’m mentally exhausted with lockdown plus if I am in a shop, it’s like an episode of Supermarket Sweep - I will not be stopping to look at nail polishes!

 

[Raker]

I stripped my skin to buggery, leaving it sensitive and reactive to apparently innocuous ingredients such as Hyaluronic acid and silicone esp. dimethicone — try find stuff that doesn’t contain this!—from an M&S advent beauty calendar box a few years ago, so I’m definitely not in the “interested” demographic here.

But a 5-year old candle celebrating a paedophile and a cc cream that is veasy to get (had it years ago, Sali voice obvs, and broke me out because of aforementioned silicone and was quite orange on my beef faced Irish complexion..)

... for £155*? Is that right? In a time of global abs social collapse? Seriously?!???

Maybe she did a deal with Bella to get rid of the candles that weren’t selling in her shops, you know, because of the pweirdo connection?

I am dumbstruck by literally how fecking brainless this whole caper is. Is there an antonym for “whip-smart”?

*for £155 I’d rather book a facial with Abigail James or another good facialist.

 

[AmberSpyglass]

@SqualorVictoria, you shouldn’t. I had’t a fucking clue who Ginsberg was until this thread. I have seen KM wearing a jumper years ago and more recently the wanna-by style ‘icons’ of the likes of SH. I always assumed it’s something niche and French and by default ‘cool’.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and wonder whether SH herself had any idea of said man’s murky past. So much for the carefully curated selection of quality items in her beauty box. Wonder how many of her trusted followers are having second thoughts now.

Even if Sali wasn’t completely aware about his paedophilic tendencies, she’d never admit it , being into liberalism and literature and all that.

 

[Jelly Bean]

ahhh her cheque cleared.

Odious Sam Farmer’s words could have been written about Sali’s box “a mendacious marketing tactic deliberately created to cynically exploit the consumer by ridiculing them for profit”

Isn't Sam Farmer a pain?
I get the impression from him he thinks he is far cleverer than he actually appears to be. A rude pompous tone about anyone who has a different point of view.
I listened to that podcast with him, Sali and CH and honestly he was dull as ditchwater.

And I noticed neither Sali or Caroline lectured Victoria Beckham about calling her range 'clean'. Caroline had every opportunity at the launch as well.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

I don't think you should beat yourself up over it at all: it became popular because Kate Moss was seen wearing it and there was a vogue for the beat poets. You expect that if a slew of designers, manufacturers and stockists ok a slogan that it won't be deifying a known paedophile.

Equally, as I mentioned before, Bowie is still incredibly popular despite the common knowledge that he had sex with fans as young as 13/14 and it is seemingly accepted because "things were different back then" () - there's form for excusing terrible behaviour where talented males are involved and unless you dig it's hard to find these nuggets of disturbing information.

Part of the amazing thing about Tattle is the exposure of the vileness of the influencer model which we simply weren't aware of even a few years ago. Now we know to be more cynical about the motivation behind these products.

Your last paragraph is so true. Tattle has opened up my eyes to influencers, not just SH, but pretty much all of them and their greedy, grabby, grubby practices

And on the mention of Bowie, I remember Sali writing an article in the Pool about him. She cried when he died. She knew every single one of his tracks *rolls eyes*

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Imagine speaking to clients/ potential customers in the way she speaks to her followers, it's just not acceptable.

 

[Mselvista]

Totally agree. I’ve stopped commenting on other aspects as it all pales beside this. I also think some action should be taken over this. Writing to Guardian, Cult and other retailers would be the first step, I guess?

Thing is that is were it could tip over into harassment- contacting employers, those with a professional relationship with Sali. SH didn't design, produce or - apart from on this one occasion - profit from the candle. I think championing the candle and it's inclusion in the box was a misstep rather than a deliberate decision to champion an odious individual.
On this occasion I'd suggest that SH was too concerned with surface and consequently her research lacked the necessary depth.

 

[Mselvista]

SH started her column for the Guardian 2011 or 12 (before that she was a "proper journalist" ) and positioned herself as no bullshit, honest guide to all things makeup and skincare.
Pretty Honest was marketed as an insider's guide to beauty tips and secrets and she has often been described as like a knowledgable best friend or big sister. She fostered the semblance of intimacy by shared details of her life, family and social circle on Instagram and in GTL (possibly on the SHB forum too, Idk).
At some point she started to have Botox and made a conscious decision not to disclose that. There was a SHB piece on her dreadful bad bob cut, there have been pictures on her grid and/or stories of subsequent haircuts, blowdries, eyelash extensions , nail treatments, facials, tattoos and microblading.
Later when asked about Botox she claims to have always been upfront about it, that she wrote several articles about it on a website that sadly no longer exists.
Then she hosts a podcast asking why there is such a stigma aboit Botox and other "tweakments".
My head may fall off.
Edited - typos.

 

[zcfthc5]

That’s clever, but I’m not comfortable in finding any humour or snark in this, given that child sex abuse is at the core of it.

Fair enough. It wasnt supposed to be witty, just to sum up the issue in a one-liner incase any non-tattlers also had their doubts about the candle.

Alternatively Sali Hughes 16: do some proper research for once in your career

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Indeed, black on black elasticated trouser/sandal situation with bright toe nails/ bare ankles= not a goth.

The sandals hurt my eyes, so much material!

Again, just another attempt to appear cool and edgy. "I don't like the sun like everyone else, I much prefer autumn and I wear top to toe black like no one else on the planet has ever done"

 

[DCICassieStuart]

If candle scandal gets on your wick, it’s just a name, like a blue tick.

Next thread title right there

 

[crossword]

Sorry to bring this back to the candle again. But I’ve found it unpleasant even reading this thread lately despite the lovely, funny and warm people here.

This has crossed a line from an irritating part of the media which I feel personally affected by and worry about my children and other women and so on... to being unequivocally wrong and nasty, part of the big blanket which covers abuse and lets it go on.

Much as I dislike Sali Hughes’ professional ethics (ie transparency, rudeness to commenters who I assume must be vulnerable if they’re constantly trying to talk to minor slebs, ruthless bullying of some women and nasty comments about others). I did not ever think a solid member of the Guardian team would sell an object which celebrates padophilia.

I don’t know what to do. Critique on public platforms has been laughed at or silenced or even reality denied. I don’t know which is worse. Maybe it isn’t such a big deal. But I think about all the people who have been through this and we’ve made so much progress but here up pops a big old jolly about it all. And it should have been a safe space. Ie in our ‘progressive’ broadsheet (because that is the platform that has given SH legitimacy).

Agree with you 100% and so well said!

 

[Mselvista]

"Most requested"
"heartening"
"not quite there yet" ...she's trolling us!
"pleasing"
Also sentences with so many sub clauses and multiple brackets you have to read then twice.

Is it me or is "heavier duty" really clunky and ugly sounding? Phrasing stuff in a novel way for the sake of it isn't goid writing, especially when it jars and you have to reread it as you say. She says in today's video that her position on eye cream is misunderstood - probably because she's often too busy faffing about with stupid turns of phrase that her meaning gets lost.
The tangles she gets herself into on Twitter also illustrate this. For a professional writer, she's not very good at communicating clearly.

 

[melfish]

I don’t wear heels anymore but how gorgeous are Kate’s shoes.

Goddess. Effortlessly cool (jumper aside), no fucks given. What Sali aspires to

 

[Disillusioned]

Why don’t we let Sali explain the thinking behind the use of this slogan? At length. In The Guardian.

 

[Disillusioned]

Have Bella Freud or Sali ever responded to questions about how odd and immoral it is to deify a man who advocated for paedophilia?

I just attempted some deep research, but got nothing.

 

[Wobblehead]

I wonder about behind the scenes. When Caroline H was selling her kits on the Friday she took at swipe at others who had ‘announced’ that week. To use her words - we see you. I wonder if this was SH. Coincidence that they both had Dr Dennis pads in their boxes, although I think Carolines box has a bigger size but I am not sure so please correct me if I am wrong. In fairness to Hirons her kits seemed to be a lot more bang for your buck and Sali’s box pales in comparison. Sali must be seething as in her quest to be a journo she has fallen behind the likes of Hirons who I am sure she looks down on. I may be reading too much into it (too much time on my hands) but this post on Sali’s Instagram (last sentence) made me wonder if it was a swipe at everything that went down on Caroline’s sale day with the site crashing etc and loads of people being stressed. I can’t see the same happening on launch day tomorrow for Sali

 

[Aude]

@Mokie, this was the pre-Botox look I'd say.