SacconeJolys #3 Cold shower punishments

[Waitingonyou]

Some of their older followers are so odd, they look like the kind of women who write to death row prisoners and then sell their story to take a break!

 

[kinsale]

Why I Will Never Support The SacconeJoly's Again

A summary of why I will never support the family vlogging channel, The SacconeJoly's, ever again.

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[MunkyMagic]

We’ve reached the days where commercialism has killed the true liberty of free speech on the big platforms. The minute money is involved, integrity is out the window.

Big family bloggers will not say anything; they want the networking, clout and money and so will steer clear of the drama. Money > integrity.

Stacey Dooley will not say anything, even in her capacity as a ‘hard hitting investigative journalist’; money has been exchanged in her relationship with the SJs. Money > integrity.

It took Phil De Franco to stick his head above the parapet before any momentum was gained in the Daddy O Five shameful, blatant display of abuse which had a million times more evidence than this disgusting treatment of a toddler. That’s how bad it is folks. If the SJs generate views and money for businesses and raise profiles, business and the influencer leeches who rely on the industry will turn a blind eye.

Money > integrity. Massive kudos to that tiny handful of influencers putting integrity first. Truly decent people.

 

[Mabelrose]

Can you imagine the uproar if it was reported in the news that care homes were punishing elderly, incontinent patients with cold showers?

Yet some seem to think it’s ok to do to a 2 year old? I just don’t understand how people are saying it’s “not that big a deal”

Because it’s a cult!! Seriously it’s very similar to one, they worship at the feet of Jonathan and Anna, they could commit a murder IMO and still their ’fans’ would defend them, they are completely brainwashed to believing they are one big family!!! Very like the Inghams, it’s so disturbing, wtf is wrong with people, they seem to rely on ‘influencers ‘ to learn anything! And that’s the issue here, how many are now going to cold shower their kids because Anna did? It was cruel, it was humiliating and it was made public!

They used to this too mentally ill people until someone said this is wrong and put a stop to it , if we don’t speak up when we see wrongdoing then it will continue , the fact newspapers have not picked up on this is worrying it means that these Influencers are being protected , like all wrongdoing mostly it comes down to money , someone is making a fortune from these people and they are protecting their investments !

I do not want to live in a world where you are silenced for speaking up about cruelty to children, yet we seem to be.

 

[Blondie]

It's so sad those children from a young age have been given cold showers when they are naughty.
Emilia and Eduardo didn't even bat an eyelid or ask about it when they heard Alessia got a cold shower. They knew exactly what it was as it's completely the norm in that house

It wouldn't enter any normal parents head to do that to children. That is not a normal form of discipline.

I hope they get punished, those poor kids deserve so much better.
I was always uneasy about Anna as a parent. I remember an insta video once where Jonathan was saying Anna got angry and instead of taking it out on the kids she threw a kitchen chair and caused damage to the corner of a wall (this was in the house before this one) and anna was using the excuse shes Italian and fiery. I thought, nah shes a psycho!! Who the hell does that?

 

[justbeingnosy11]

Hey everyone. I'm a small blogger and have tweeted about this now multiple times and have been blocked by them both. Word on the street is that people are receiving emails with C&D's for mentioning it anywhere - mainly the larger influencers. They may have the money but people are only talking about what they openly admitted. I asked a friend of mine who is a qualified practicing family lawyer and she said that although they have the money, a case would not stand up in court for libel as the video evidence is there, but probably not to use words like 'abuse' and to just let people make their own minds up. The money scares people and that's about the extent of it. Keep spreading the word.

 

[Char93]

What I find even stranger is that they both think it's so normal they edited it into the video, I just cant get my head around it how could this be so normalised they didnt think there would be any kind of disagreement, people have literally had the police called on them for smacking children in public but they reckon using an actual form of torture on a toddler would go down smoothly

 

[StephenTJackson]

I imagine louise is in quite a dilemma over this one.. She cannot say anything against saccone joly or risk upsetting gleam who she has been with since day one but also she is a mother and an NSPCC embassordor and herself a victim of abuse in her childhood. If I was her I know which side of the fence I would be on and it wouldn't be gleam/saccone this is far to big an issue to remain silent on and I really wish someone big in the YouTube/Instagram world would stand up and be counted and condemn this.

Louise ignoring it because she is a fellow Gleamer and such just says everything about Louise for me. She has gone on about being abused as a child so often, how it’s affected relationships with family, and has clearly affected her throughout life.

Her failing to even acknowledge the issue properly and question whether it is an appropriate method of parenting, and calling it out as abusive just makes her look even worse. She should be shouting loudest because she knows what it is like to be abused. Any scrap of respect I had left for Louise, and there wasn’t a lot left in the first place, has well and truly gone.

 

[zoflorastinks]

What the FUCK. Why would you even say "warm shower" surely warm would be assumed because if someone said to me "shall I give your kids a warm bath" I'd be like what else type of bath could they have?

100% this has been going on for ages now and that just about confirms it.

 

[Suzesnooze]

Why do they think they're beyond criticism? They're acting without compassion towards a very small child. If they don't know how to deal with a potty training issue, there's no shame in that, they can contact their health visitor for appropriate advice & help. Why do they assume they are the experts or that their sycophant fans will have the answers? In my very working class area, many people go on a 6 week parenting course at a SureStart centre, the fact that people can admit they don't know all the answers and are willing to learn shows so much more courage than people broadcasting their haphazard damaging approaches to hundreds of thousands of strangers online

I live in a working class area and you can bet if this was a family in my area SS would be knocking at the door. As said previously...money talks. It's disgusting.

 

[LaurieLaurie]

“You’re a bit too hyper I think you need showers tonight” sounds chilling when you know it’s actually a punishment.

 

[RhubarbRhubarb]

I am CONVINCED they use the cold showers regularly as punishment for “bad” behaviour; the fact of their daughter speaking about “being naughty and having a cold shower” through her dolls a while back but also their son after the incident this week when Alissa says she doesn’t know why she had a cold shower says “because you were being naughty” before Anna quickly shushed him. What a vile woman. More interested in looking at herself on the phone then seeing if her daughter was ok after something she openly admitted it was cruel.

 

[RachTN25]

I have been reading threads for a while but never actually bothered signing up as haven't posted anything but didn't want to just read and move on. This is so awful. I have just found her on instagram and commented so will see how long that lasts. I'm a teacher and if a child disclosed that to me that family would be referred to social services. The fact they think that's normal makes we very worried what else goes on behind closed doors

 

[Lucypea]

I am so sorry I don’t know how to reply to specific messages!! Yes we often are sent audio clips in emails (I’ve never had a video) usually from neighbours which is great for us as it automatically changes something that a parent may be able to argue is malicious and therefore we have no evidence to proceed to something substantial that can not be argued with. The parents will be contacted about this one hundred percent in case anyone is concerned that they won’t. It’s nice to see you all looking to protect children and safeguarding children is everyone’s business that is the key thing we say to any professionals so for anyone saying people are trolls or it’s up to them how they parent that’s simply not true we all have a duty in our society to safeguard the vulnerable x

 

[Largerlout]

In that article he bleets on about it affecting their mental health. Well here is some advice for you Jonathon, get off of fucking social media and stop plastering your whole life on it! But oh wait sorry I forgot your greedy arses can’t do that and would much rather play the sympathy and mental health card. Get real!

Huh????? He cares about the mental health of himself and wife......WHAT ABOUT THE MENTAL HEALTH OF THEIR CHILDREN?

 

[Felicity]

I really feel for Organised Motherhood as I do believe she was right to flag this up. I have a two year old little boy who used to do the same after his afternoon nap. I always (and still do) believe it was MY fault as I hadn't got to him in time and he clearly didn't want the dirty nappy on him and then was probably intreagued by its contents he is only two after all! After every time I gave him a lovely bath, fresh clothes etc and I never even thought go shout at him! If I found out that anyone had ever put him in a cold shower I swear it would be the last thing they ever did! How could they? I look at my boy and I would protect him from anything. Sorry for the long post but this has really angered / saddened me!

 

[Meringue22]

Im not saying that a cold shower is ok I totally disagree with it however playing devils advocate.

If this was the way they have been brought up and it has always been a way they discipline their children and that their family discipline their children then this is their normal (again I don't think it is right) Like weaning early I had a mom that weened her daughter at 12 weeks and this was with full on food and giving her Maltese's to suck. I was so shocked and appalled as she was giving her child chocolate at 12 weeks just to see how she would react. As this was normal in her family that they weened so early. In my eyes weaning at 12 weeks with all types of food is extremely dangerous for the child and could cause major problems when older to her it was fine didn't see the problem regardless of health visitors advice because it didn't do her any harm.

Now if they think it didn't do them any harm I can see why they would follow on a practice that they have grown up with.
Now that it has all hit the fan and literally thousands of people have told them this is really not ok maybe just maybe they will stop and think ok just because it was normal for us its not right to do this now.

I guess what I'm trying to say is everyones normal is different until they are told and shown what is ok and what isn't.

Sorry what? My brain can’t compute blah blah blah BLAH what now?!! ITS NOT OK! Never ever. Even if they were subjected to this as kids. Jog on and hush! Fucking idiot

 

[MrsDimSum]

I am really disturbed to see the young girl a couple of years ago wanting to put her dollies in a cold shower, this is quite horrific

 

[Pink jelly]

How can they wiggle out of this though? They literally can’t go back on it. It’s out in the universe forever! Hope karma gets them and badly . I’d give my left arm for a child and they are ruining theirs . “How did she react? Was it horrible?” Wtf! Of course it was horrible. Oh dear lord I’m so angry

 

[Ineedahero]

What is the video years ago?

Scroll to around 3 mins 40. Little girl is dressing her dolly and talking about dolly being naughty. He asks her what do they do when they are naughty and she says give them a cold shower