Ruby Granger #29 Is it soon yet?

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xoxoxo13

Since someone on here went to Exeter and they're obviously sensitive about it. We are criticizing Ruby and questioning her grade since she is, well, Roobee, and was sponsored by Exeter at the beginning. It is not a criticism on every individual student. Just Ruby and the higher-ups.
 
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gossip_guy

People do not read Sparknotes summaries, produce character lists in Notion and read critical essays before reading the main text. People do not read the criticals essays before the main texts. There's just no reason for that if they're approaching the learning process as intended on the level. Yet that's what Ruby says she did.

At best, it's one of the most stupid and suspicious things she's ever said. At worst, it's a very clear indication that she skipped the required reading entirely often if not all the time in favour of condensed study guides intended to provide everything a student needs to not bother reading the book, and read critical material first to have someone intelligent to parrot

Having a chat with a friend/fellow student about an essay or part of a text you're confused about is one thing. Scheduling a fixed meeting with them before (and often after) every single seminar and lecture is wildly unnecessary for anyone. And Ruby said on multiple occassions that she "didn't understand her own thoughts" on the required reading/lectures until Blakeney discussed it with her. She could not spell it out any more if she tried.

She either didn't read the required material herself and struggled to understand the nuances of the material because she'd only read truncated synopses and study guides, or she read the material and even with the lectures she sat through and the study guides she (for some reason) read before the main text, failed to understand any of what she read despite them being fairly straightforward books to study at undergrad and her claiming to be a genius.

She outright says, with no ambiguity: She got Blakeney to read critical essays for her and tell her what was in them. Letting other students to do the recommended reading for you is not doing the work as intended. It is not engaging with the learning process. It's not technically cheating, but I'm sure if any of her tutors were aware of it, they'd have immediate concerns, especially combined with everything else she's said and shown.

I'm not saying she did no work or that she was outright plagiarising. I'm saying that she took every dodgy shortcut possible to avoid doing as much work of her own as she could. She laid out her process for all to see as much as she could without outright admitting to it. She skipped the required reading as much as possible in favour of study guides transposed into Notion. She got Blakeney to do half the required critical reading and meet with her before every single academic appointment so that she understood the reading assignments and had things to say in the seminar.

So far, Ruby's done nothing for herself and all the basic foundation work is taken care of, buying her a lot of time to look at critical reading outside the recommended reading lists, which is what they look at for higher grades. Along with online resources, she also showed that she used Genei and advertised it heavily - a researching tool intended to give you condenced versions of full critical essays and journals.

Any other student would be doing the required reading themselves, reading the book or play (first, before anything else) and forming their own thoughts, then reading the recommended critical material themselves. Ruby quite blatantly didn't do that, so she had an abundance of extra time (not factoring in her zero extracurriculars and zero non-academic responsibilities) that other students didn't have to look at wider critical material.

From there, I completely believe that, given her regular habit of reading the critical material before even looking at the main text, she either looked for an angle in a critical essay that she liked, used the argument as the basic for her essay and reverse-engineered an essay from that/Blakeney's thoughts and ideas. She showed that she regularly sent very leading, very long emails to lecturers to coax ideas from them or to steer her in a direction.

I assume Exeter is like most English lit undergrad degrees where essay questions are pre-written by the lecturer and students get a few to choose from, meaning that it would've been incredibly easy for her to get the solid skeleton of an essay put together without doing the required reading and relying heavily on the thoughts, opinions and ideas of Blakeney, lecturers and authors of critical works.

Academic cheating checks are not going to catch that, because it's not copy-and-paste plagiarism.

Seminar tutors aren't going to flag it because Ruby knows the basic story, characters and themes from the study guides and she's had Blakeney unwittingly coach her on the seminar questions under the guise of a study chat in the form of a mandatory pre-seminar debrief session.

Grading tutors aren't likely to see anything because there's only a finite amount of arguments to offer within the confines of a prewritten essay question, and on paper Ruby looks to have read the text, understood it, have original thoughts and read and quoted a wide range of critical material to support and contrast her ideas.

Factor in grade inflation at Exeter, and yes, it's very easy to get a First if you take the shortcuts and have all the time and resources that Ruby did. You also wouldn't be learning anything or improving your own ability to engage with material critically, which is the major problem Ruby has: Even after years of studying literature at university, she's fundamentally incapable of critical thought, or even basic thought. She robbed herself of the whole point of university and has nothing to show for it but a grade she didn't earn.

That's might not be academic cheating, but it is cheating herself and her viewers. Because she didn't learn anything at uni but how to take shortcuts to avoid learning. And she still presents herself to her impressionable fans as a studious, naturally gifted genius bookworm, despite all evidence to the contrary. She presents her methods as the way to get ahead, when if you approach things her way (reading study guides and critical essays before the main text or strongarming your roommate into endless study session to discuss pretty rudimentary material or getting other people to do the reading for you) you'll learn nothing.

Considering Ruby keeps beating the drum that she's so in love with the process of learning, she sure did seem to avoid doing it at all costs.

Ruby does not help young people.

Ruby pushes toxic and dangerous habits onto impressionable children and gives the direct inference that chugging water all day long and studying 12 hour days is the key to academic success.

Her "daily" vlogs are a collection of fabricated lies and footage assembled from multiple days which show herself accomplishing far more in a 24 hour period than is physical possible, while she doesn't eat anything resembling a healthy meal.

Impressionable young kids aren't going to see through those lies. They're going to emulate Ruby, and work themselves to death on a diet of water and snack bars striving to keep up with an impossible routine.

When asked to stop showing toxic and triggering content, lie her obsession with shoehorning ED-baiting content into videos unrelated to food, Ruby has refused. She's plead ignorance and lied and avoided the issue and gaslighted people over it and never, ever changed. She is not a nice person, despite how she may try desperately to appear so.

Ultimately we don't know whether Ruby's obsessive fixation with children has a sexual element, however unlikely it might seem. But regardless, Ruby is a dangerous and toxic influence on children out in the open for all to see. Nobody should trust her to be talking to kids behind closed doors and she is no role model to anyone.
 
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GoinDowntown

That's a good point.

I struggled with my mental health in uni too. Also I was in a terrible relationship and had financial difficulties, and I did the bare minimum of work a lot of the time, skipped a lot of lectures and handed in work late a lot. I couldn't concentrate and kept falling asleep when I tried to read anything. I fell asleep in the library and nearly got kicked out by the security guard, and once I fell alseep in a lecture, sitting right at the front as well.

I considered dropping out but I was too depressed to make an actual decision about my life so I kept on scraping by as well as I could.

I still got a 2:1 in the end, though I often think I really didn't deserve it. I didn't put half the hours of work in that Ruby did.

I wouldn't say it was easy exactly, as I obviously struggled a lot, and I was very stressed, lurching from one deadline disaster to the next, but it does seem that you can still achieve decent grades without reading all of the material.

I have to add that my tutors and head of department were very kind about it and helped me through a very difficult time, so I will forever be immensely grateful to them. But I still wonder all the time if they graded me more generously because of it.
 
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Lasagnacreamcone

This is legit questionning I had that I wanted to put in there tho. How did Ruby get those grades ? It really made me wonder how harsh Exeter teachers actually are. Because in high school, at some point, I know I got the formula on how to write essays that will pretty much get you 85%+ automatically. If you're okay at *insert native language here* and understand abstract concepts pretty good, essays become really easy when you just, follow a basic writing structure. It also worked pretty good in college.
But once I got to Uni, my god, professors didn't eat any of my bullshit. I had to actually read material and do research a little bit. Writting with a-little-above-average vocabulary and syntax and being funny whilst respecting what was asked was not cutting it this time. And my university is in nooo way prestigious, at all.
But I had the impression that that's what Ruby was doing ? Maybe it's just because I can't wrap my head around the idea she actually knows how to write, which is a bit unfair since she was something like 15 when she wrote her first book, but I feel like she just follows the steps to write an essay and tries to put fancy words and a lot of references. There's just a part of me that can't believe she got those grades with her essays unless her teachers have low standards ?
 
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Blue_Letters

It's incredibly dangerous for you to be perpetuating this idea that because Ruby doesn't look or act the way you think a pedophile does, she can't possibly be one. If you have this image that pedophiles always have to be older men with greasy hair crouching in windowless vans you can throw that out right now. Pedophiles can be (and often are) attractive, charming people who occupy a valued place in their community. So many people who have experienced assault and abuse have struggled to be believed because their abuser "is a good person". Comments like yours are what are demeaning to these people.
No one is making a direct accusation that Ruby committed a pedophilic act, only that her actions so far have raised many red flags and warrant caution in that vein.
Even if her actions are not pedophilic in nature, they can still be predatory and damaging. She openly flaunts her disordered eating behaviors and does nothing to denote them as negative. It's not much of a jump to imagine her encouraging these behaviors in young girls she "mentors". Her studying habits and outlook on academia are toxic and since that is her whole brand, I assume that is what she wants to mentor people in. Passing those traits on to people who look up to her so much is a terrible idea.
Ruby has no qualifications to be a mentor to teens. Having once been a teen does not make a person fit to guide someone through their teen years. If Ruby truly wanted to impart some helpful wisdom she thinks she possesses, she could easily have set up a website where young girls could write in anonymously and she could respond with advice. A "dear Ruby" column if you will. Still carries the potential to cause harm but much less creepy than asking for teenage girls' home mailing address. There's also plenty of organized avenues to go through if you want to work with young people. She could easily have applied to work at an after-school program as a mentor or tutor. Then she would be in a controlled environment where the parents of these children are aware of the relationship.
Being an older student at school and acting as a "big sister " to younger students is wildly different from trying to form relationships with them as a grown adult. The power balance is completely off and the life experience gap is much greater. Her behavior in regards to children is completely inappropriate.
 
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ayooooshaaa

i never thought that i would write a post on here lmao but here i am.

ive been seeing a lot of stuff about ruby being a pweirdo and about her fixation with childhood. i was sexually abused by both my parents for six years and while it is unlikely she is a nonce (but definitely not definite) i think we need to establish that people aren’t just being groomed sexually. just because ruby may not be having any sexual intentions with these kids doesn’t mean that she can’t be abusing them in other ways. i mean what the fuck do you talk about to a child when you’re in your 20s?
 
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rubysdeadfly

I have nothing to add to how she got her grades but I think it's really strange and almost corrupt that Exeter uni payed her to do an AD promoting them meanwhile her fellow students are probably balancing uni life and a part time job that is difficult to centre around their studies all whilst her uni was paying Ruby to advertise them...it's never sat well with me. If I was a student I'd have been so annoyed I got debt from uni whilst my fellow class mate was being payed by them.
 
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Deeznutslol

The people trying to make out like we’ve all sat here and accused Ruby of being a n are actually jarring tbh.
At no point did anyone say that, all that has been said is that it is NOT normal for a woman of her age to repeatedly seek out contact with children and try to form relationships with them, regardless of her intentions.
 
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Lasagnacreamcone

I do think Ruby looks really innocent and pure and whatever and I think that's why it's very important to make the point she shouldn't be in contact with young impressionnable girls, especially if she has an audience like she does.
This is not about Ruby. And any victim of sex*al ab*se wil tell you this, you should not find it normal and if you hear "wow she's a p*do" when people say she should not do this there's something wrong with you.
This is not about her, it's about being able to spot those situations in general. I've heard from many trans guys that something hard about transitioning is that you can't act as you used to with children, but they don't say it in a "fuck society who can't understand context" way, they say it in a "being a guy sucks" way. And they don't act like they used to with children, you won't see them overexplaining why they are harmless. It doesn't matter who you are and what your intentions are, no one should do weird stuff like that with underrage people.
It's innocent clueless people like Ruby who suceed the most (again, this is not really about her I'm not accusing her of anything and I feel weird having to even specify it), I don't know the exact stats but you can Google it, it's always people who you would never suspect. Because people you would suspect, well, lmao you don't let them near your kids you know. And she could misconduct for many, many other reasons than her being a p*do. The OITNB episode about how Crazy Eyes got into prison comes to mind. This is a very extreme exemple, but even if you think like a child because of a disability or a lack of connection with your own self or whatever you being an adult will make you act... Like an adult sometimes. Without you realizing it. Because if you want to be "friends" with them, you don't have a mentor or parent idea in mind, so it's easy to forget this person is not actually your age and things you're used to do or say, sometimes without thinking, are not appropriate for a younger audience.
This is a very important discussion to have. It's not about accusing Ruby of being a p*do. We all been or known a girl who has hung out with a very older "friend" to realize much later she's been abused or taken advantage of. This is also how a lot of ab*se happens in teenage boys, with women who are not that much older than them. Since the only dynamic that is really vilified by society (because it's the most comon) is older guy/younger girl, the others are so much easier to get away with.
 
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yerdasellsavon

Christ, I don’t know how this is still a topic of conversation but no one is genuinely saying or believes Ruby is a paedophile or has sexual intentions.

They’re saying that trying to form relationships with children, where there is an age and mental maturity gap, just to facilitate your own longings for childhood crosses inappropriate boundaries and that unless safeguarding is in place or she’s performing a given role, it’s not something she should be doing and the adults around her shouldn’t encourage it. Case closed and I don’t know why that’s particularly controversial.
 
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MissGGG

I don't think it's fair to bring in the fact that she was sponsored by Exeter to try prove her grade was inflated because of that. The people working on the outreach or equivalent teams that would be involved with Ruby's advertising Exeter would have nothing to do to with the grades at the university. I say this as someone who has worked with the admissions team at my university who've contacted YouTubers studying there to see if they'd be interested in working with us. It works just like any other sponsorship and the people involved in marking and giving grades have nothing to do with that part of the university.

EDIT: And to the comment talking about how they'd be annoyed about having to pay the university while Ruby was getting paid, it's not really different from the other students who signed up to help with advertising the university (except, I suppose, the fact that they were headhunted rather than just signed up on their own). Other students, at least at the university I've worked with, were paid very similarly to feature in the university's own social media, making admissions videos, tiktoks, etc.
 
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Ilaariaa

And especially online. Again, she should not be encouraging her younger followers to create bonds with adult strangers on the Internet. Like, that's pretty much Internet safety 101.
She should be the first to put up boundaries, let alone actively seek out kids to befriend online.
 
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ayooooshaaa


PERIOD just because it’s not necessarily sexual doesn’t mean that it’s ok
 
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StatusWoe

Deeandra2020 said:
Ah i see. Just watching the live stream of the ceremony seemed rather awkward. Idk that's just my opinion compared to my graduation.
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Haven't caught up with the thread yet, so apologies if this has been said. I thought it could be to do with Covid and precautions around that.
 
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gossip_guy

I think it's mainly the optics of those kind of relationships that are the problem, especially when it's someone like Ruby.

I don't for one second think that Ruby got any kind of preferential treatment based on her sponsored spokesperson role, but that relationship was always going to raise eyebrows even if there's nothing dodgy going on.

Because then people are naturally going to take any positive things she says about the place with a grain of salt, and she's going to shy away from saying negative things about the uni because Ruby's a perpetual sponsor-pleaser and a compulsive liar already.

How many red flags and bad experiences would she be willing to gloss over and still encourage people to enrol, just to please the people giving her cash? And if she starts getting alarmingly high grades, people are going to point to the uni being a paid sponsor of hers, whether there's actually anything suspicious or not.

And she was paid to advertise a university that she'd be showcasing in daily vlogs and content anyway. Exeter gained nothing from it and it was an incredibly stupid and insulting waste of money.

If any of her fans were likely to sign up for Exeter based on Ruby attending, they were already going to do it, and nobody who wasn't a fan was likely to sign up because a pompous Hermione impersonator told them to. At worst, Ruby being the face of the school would discourage people from enrolling altogether.

All it did was take a spokesperson opportunity from someone who actually needed the money and (considering Ruby did all she could to avoid campus and the library) someone who was much more qualified to talk up their experience at the university and its facilities than Ruby. Once again, Ruby got rewarded for her privilege.

It might go over better if it's an influencer much less problematic than Ruby, but it never comes off like a particularly smart idea or a wise use of money. The opportunity should be given to a hard-working student struggling to fund their time at uni, they should've just hired an actor with no ties to the university for a traditional ad to run on social media, or just skipped the whole thing entirely and used the money to directly fund someone's education.
 
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rubysdeadfly

There's a massive difference between working as a student out of necessity and making a tiktok on your unis account and being payed like £9 an hour to being payed presumably a far more substantial amount to promote your university to your impressionable audience, Ruby has a fairly large audience and a manager she will be payed thousands for her AD's, she could pay off the bulk of her loans just off doing a few ads for Exeter whilst the students working giving out flyers, making tiktoks etc will use that money towards bills, food etc it wouldn't even come close to what Ruby was payed
 
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StatusWoe

studygal said:
The most reasonable explanation I can think of is that Ruby has very little intrinsic motivation, but she cares a lot about her grades and how her academic achievements are perceived.
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I think that hits the nail on the head.

Totally disagree with this, I'm afraid.

Nobody is saying that Ruby's an abuser or that her interest in childhood is sexual in nature. I certainly don't believe that. However, seeing as we were discussing the worrying lack of boundaries around Ruby's interactions with younger people, and the fact that no one in her life seems to be enforcing these boundaries, I don't think it's unreasonable to think about examples where this kind of influencer-fan relationship has gone wrong. In an age when social media is so omnipresent in the lives of kids, parasocial relationships warrant scrutiny IMO.

For example, my spoilered post was relating to an actual abuser, but wasn't a response to Ruby. It was a warning that people who present as asexual and harmless shouldn't be above suspicion. To quote @springstudy :

I don't think that Ruby's behaviour is a 'nice thing'. It's unhealthy. Aside from Blakeney, her friends are exclusively younger people. She still dresses up in school uniforms. She invites herself back to her old school. There's nothing wrong with wanting to mentor kids, of course, but the way Ruby goes about doing this is a safeguarding nightmare. Remember when she asked her young fans for their contact details so she could send them gifts? It may have been well-intentioned, but Ruby needs to know that she can't do this in the 'real world' because there are rules and consequences around this kind of behaviour. As someone else said, there are acceptable ways to work with children, e.g. Brownies, Girl Guides, in an environment where volunteers are held accountable - I've often wondered why she doesn't try tutoring given her interest in academia - but for some reason Ruby never does this.

Aside from this, there are many different ways to be creepy! Lol. In Ruby's case, the 'grown woman cosplaying a child' thing is strange on its own, regardless of her interactions with anyone else.
 
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hermionewannabe123

StatusWoe said:
I've often wondered why she doesn't try tutoring given her interest in academia - but for some reason Ruby never does this.
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It's clear that Ruby's interest in academia is limited to the aesthetic. She would never do actual work that couldn't be filmed and mashed together on youtube.
 
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studygal

Hot_Dogs_Or_Toes said:
Just looking at Ruby's graduation photos and I actually think she looks really nice in them.
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Agreed! I think it's because she looks dressed for the occasion. I was expecting a return of the top hat and tail coat mixed with some kind of atrocity from Miss Patina.
 
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