Ruby Granger #12 The Continuing Adventures of Pie-rott and Muriel

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honestly I feel for her because a friend of mine went through something apparently very similar and had to get years of therapy
Yeah, the worst thing is probably that the more she tries to cling to her childhood, the harder it'll be to let go of it afterwards, and she will need a lot of help, be it from therapy or her family and friends.

I also don't think there's anything about being an adult that she is enjoying? So for her, being an adult is only seen as something negative. I was really afraid of growing up as a teen / very young adult too, but finding things that were actually enjoyable about being a grown-up helped me go through that fear, and enjoy my twenties much, much more.
 
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Answers on a postcard, Tattlers: Who do you think it was?
I think it was Amber, but that Amber is the Hyde to Ruby's Jekyll (or should that be the other way round?

I’ve also noticed that there’s not often one cohesive narrative around her bullying, it’s been a while since I’ve watched some of her videos specifically on it so apologies if I am forgetting some of the more specific examples she uses, but it does all seem very general. Obviously I’m not saying she needs to put out every detail on the internet but as someone mentioned above if someone was calling you names, spreading rumours, pulling pranks, beating you up even then you could use those specifics to tailor your advice surely because there are generally slightly different ways to handle that? The most specific I’ve seen her be is around the “what it’s like having no friends”, or mention something that happened to her in year 5 (end of Primary School)
This is the video with the Daddy Bones cutlery! Somehow they'd merged into one endless video in my mind. But yes, she was very specific about saying that in Years 5, and 10 she was the victim of bullying.

 
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I also don't think there's anything about being an adult that she is enjoying? So for her, being an adult is only seen as something negative. I was really afraid of growing up as a teen / very young adult too, but finding things that were actually enjoyable about being a grown-up helped me go through that fear, and enjoy my twenties much, much more.
I don't think she's mentioned a single thing she enjoys about being an adult. She mentioned learning to drive in one of her past Q&A videos, but nothing's come of that. I'd be fascinated to know what she truly thinks about adulthood, because for most people it equals independence and freedom, but for her it seems like she prefers to be still under the yoke of parents/teachers.
 
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Honestly, to me her cluelessness when it comes to being bullied really shone through to me in a video she did years ago (I’m not sure if it’s still up). She discovered one of her friends was being bullied, and made a very angry video where she rants at the bullies - a lot of “how DARE you do this to such a lovely person!!” and glaring at the camera as if anybody would actually be intimidated.

I was bullied so badly in school that I had to change all of my classes to get away from the girls doing it, and the moment I saw that video I cringed. It was a nice gesture I suppose, she thought she was sticking up for her friend, but I immediately knew it would just be more ammo for the bullies. They’d find it HILARIOUS. If anything they’d probably quote it at the girl they’d been bullying the next day, if they ever even saw it to begin with. I had no idea what she was trying to achieve. Did she really think they’d see it and think “aw jeez I better stop or Hermione’s gonna hex me!”?? Yikes. The naivety was unreal. I feel like if she’d ever been through real bullying, she’d have known how ridiculous she was being by even making that video, and how much she was opening up her friend to even more ridicule.
I remember cringing at how painfully self-righteous that was to watch.

If she knew anything about true bullies, she would know that something like this is the perfect ammunition for them. That their actions had the desired effect, that they can get a reaction out of their victim and their entertainment will continue, as well as feeling justified in their hostility at the little "snitch" who tattled on them.

And also, I remember how she made it all about herself. She said something like "How DARE you do this to MY friend!"
 
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I don't think she's mentioned a single thing she enjoys about being an adult. She mentioned learning to drive in one of her past Q&A videos, but nothing's come of that. I'd be fascinated to know what she truly thinks about adulthood, because for most people it equals independence and freedom, but for her it seems like she prefers to be still under the yoke of parents/teachers.
This confused me about Ruby, because (and I know this is highly generalising and I know this is not the same case for everyone) very generally this period should be great for her because to a certain level she can indulge in ‘just being a student’, but she seems to have vilified adulthood before even *really* getting there? I’m below 25 and my lowest point was just having left uni, done two months Christmas temp retail which I enjoyed but it was followed by job hunting for 8 months just desperately trying to feel like I was getting somewhere, if Ruby had already been through something similar or was currently facing the reality of renting a tiny London flat on her assistant salary, working a retail job to ride out a gap between uni and applying for jobs or training consistently for her dream job then maybe I could see how it would be tainted for her but, while yes she has rented and lived out for uni, the majority of her time has been frolicking in her field closely attached to her parents

Addition: I also forgot the general context of this is the girl who uploaded one of her longest videos to “drop the bombshell that she was dropping her degree” when in reality she got a price of paper signed so she could change degrees, it just highlighted her sheer over dramatisation of the situation and I remember being so annoyed about how much emphasis she was putting on how she “never thoughts she’d ever drop her degree” 😱
 
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Yeah, the worst thing is probably that the more she tries to cling to her childhood, the harder it'll be to let go of it afterwards, and she will need a lot of help, be it from therapy or her family and friends.

I also don't think there's anything about being an adult that she is enjoying? So for her, being an adult is only seen as something negative. I was really afraid of growing up as a teen / very young adult too, but finding things that were actually enjoyable about being a grown-up helped me go through that fear, and enjoy my twenties much, much more.
I've noticed that too and find it really odd. For most victims of childhood bullying (which she claims to have experienced), adulthood is a chance to start anew, move on, and realize that school bullies are oftentimes deeply hurt, individuals. So it puzzles me why she'd instead remain in the past and reminisce about being a child when, according to her, those were the most lonely years of her life.
 
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I watched this out of morbid curiosity.

Main takeaways:

All comments praise Ruby for being so brave and that they're so proud and her words brought them to tears. All Ruby actually says in the video is "Bullying is bad, everyone should be kind." I didn't realise stating the obvious was brave?

Ruby claims she was bullied, but that she didn't realise it at the time. At no point does she say what this "bullying" entailed, but she alludes multiple times to it just being that people didn't want to be friends with her. Yeah, no tit. You left everyone in your class eyebrows-deep in homework they could've avoided because you wanted to suck up to the teacher.

"Having gone through this myself, I'm a lot more apt to help others." That's not what that word means. This after she says it's important to think about the things we say before we say them. That applies to basic English too, Ruby.



Here we see a day in the life of someone suffering a harrowing ordeal at the hands of bullies, but we're not told who.

Ruby wakes up huffing like a petulant child as the dogs bark downstairs. Are the dogs bullying her? Is she bullying the dogs? Are they all being bullied by someone else? It remains to be seen.

Ruby angrily puts her hair in a ponytail and then eats half a chocolate bar in a blind rage. The camera lingers on the wrapper, because bullying doesn't stand in the way of product placement.

She looks through texts from someone called Amber. Is this the bully? She seems to point out that Ruby had an ugly spot, so maybe?

She gets in the car with her mother, who's ready to drive her to school. Apparently this child is called Izzy, not Ruby, but the mother seems very unsure of the name. Early onset dementia perhaps?

Izzy/Ruby has trouble remembering the basic subjects she studies, so we can see she's not the brightest bulb. This seems to run in the family, as her mother starts the engine to drive to school, reverses 6 inches and then turns the engine off. They've arrived at school apparently! It's very convenient for Ruby/Izzy to attend school in her own driveway, but you have to ponder the environmental concerns of driving half a foot twice a day. Surely Izzy/Ruby could cycle instead?

Ruby/Izzy mills around the grounds of "school", closely guarded by the family dog. Is this the bully?!

She attends class(?) and scribbles a snail/sun instead doing any actual work. Since her class is only 1.4 seconds long and she's the only person in attendance, this doesn't seem like the best use of her time.

She flees the "classroom" and hides around the corner of her house school, where she checks for anyone following her, then reads a book, awkwardly defacing the corners with her fingernail.

She wanders to the house's school's "basketball court" which is comprised of one hoop, bend at a jaunty angle. One of the pitfalls of attending school in your own garden is that the athletic facilities aren't always state of the art.

A BASKETBALL FLIES AT HER OUT OF NOWHERE! It couldn't have been the dog, unless she's being bullied by Air Bud, which seems unlikely. Is her house/school haunted? Is she being bullied by poltergeists?! This is a trickier situation than we could have ever foreseen!

Back in her kitchen the school, she eats a sad sandwich, before talking to a bohemian hippy type who looks like her father but is actually her teacher, Mr Aldridge (Does the name sounds familiar? Because it should! That's Erimentha's teacher, too! Is Erimentha bullying Ruby/Izzy?! Or is Ruby only capable of coming up with one surname for a teacher?)

Mr. A is concerned that Izzy/Ruby's not been herself lately, but considering his career has reached the lows of teaching minute-long classes of one from a dank kitchen, it seems like he should be focusing on his own life right now.

Izzy/Ruby assures him, unconvincingly, that everything is fine and she has to leave as her mother's waiting for her. He should be able to see through her lies - the school day has only been in session for mere minutes, and he's sat in the same house/school as her mother.

After wishing Mr A. a good evening, Izzy/Ruby flees outside, where it's clearly early morning. Her mother is waiting in her car, presumably because the school day was 3 minutes long and she hasn't had chance to unbuckle her seatbelt since dropping Izzy/Ruby off at "school." Her mother doesn't even go through the charade of starting the engine this time. Izzy/Ruby just gets in, then they both immediately get out.

In her bedroom, Izzy/Ruby starts writing a letter. She starts halfway down the page, because wasting paper is good for the environment, but can only get as far as the letter 'I' - it's left ambiguous if this is because Izzy/Ruby is all that matters in the universe, or because she can't spell beyond that letter as her education takes place in 30 seconds-a-day sessions.

It's now nighttime, and Izzy/Ruby opens her chemistry textbook to find a note from Amber: "Just wanted to let you know that nobody likes you. :) - Love Amber. ❤"

It's tough to fault Amber's reasoning, or the friendly tone with which this information is offered. After all, we're shown just one day in Izzy/Ruby's life, and she doesn't bathe or brush her teeth at all, so she must be hard to be around. But since there's no other students in her house-school, and nobody has had access to her book besides her teacher-dad, her mother, the dog and the basketball-playing poltergeist, this is a true Agatha Christie whodunnit - who left the note? Who is Amber?! The dog? Her mother's split personality? A twisted figment of Izzy/Ruby's imagination?

Answers on a postcard, Tattlers: Who do you think it was?
This has managed to make me cringe out of my Friday exhaustion, I send my thanks :m
 
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I find it slightly ironic that not too long after people are calling out her eating habits and ED baiting and probably having an ED she releases a meal planner…
 
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Honestly, to me her cluelessness when it comes to being bullied really shone through to me in a video she did years ago (I’m not sure if it’s still up). She discovered one of her friends was being bullied, and made a very angry video where she rants at the bullies - a lot of “how DARE you do this to such a lovely person!!” and glaring at the camera as if anybody would actually be intimidated.

I was bullied so badly in school that I had to change all of my classes to get away from the girls doing it, and the moment I saw that video I cringed. It was a nice gesture I suppose, she thought she was sticking up for her friend, but I immediately knew it would just be more ammo for the bullies. They’d find it HILARIOUS. If anything they’d probably quote it at the girl they’d been bullying the next day, if they ever even saw it to begin with. I had no idea what she was trying to achieve. Did she really think they’d see it and think “aw jeez I better stop or Hermione’s gonna hex me!”?? Yikes. The naivety was unreal. I feel like if she’d ever been through real bullying, she’d have known how ridiculous she was being by even making that video, and how much she was opening up her friend to even more ridicule.
If I remember correctly that was the case of that girl who was copying Ruby to the creepies degree (would copy nearly one to one her Hermione Granger videos and also called herself sth Granger - some people were making fun of that and some were accusing her of stealing Ruby's content. Then it turned out she was Ruby's friend lol. It was super weird. I think she was also younger than Ruby and super obsessed with her. Tbh no wonder people were making fun of her. And Ruby's video was even more cringe.
 
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Beat me too it 😂

It's like she's just trolling us at this point 😂

I've never understood why someone like Ruby would ever need to plan meals... It's not like she's athletic or does any form of intense sport.

And she won't be meal planning to help her eat because she has an eating disorder, because she would never admit that.

Like who is this anal about planning everything, even down to what they eat? I do intense exercise and yet I don't need to plan my meals or anything really, a person who is serious about meal plans does meal prep instead (IMO).
 
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Beat me too it 😂

It's like she's just trolling us at this point 😂

I've never understood why someone like Ruby would ever need to plan meals... It's not like she's athletic or does any form of intense sport.

And she won't be meal planning to help her eat because she has an eating disorder, because she would never admit that.

Like who is this anal about planning everything, even down to what they eat? I do intense exercise and yet I don't need to plan my meals or anything really, a person who is serious about meal plans does meal prep instead (IMO).
Someone with other disorders like OCD etc
 
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Addition: I also forgot the general context of this is the girl who uploaded one of her longest videos to “drop the bombshell that she was dropping her degree” when in reality she got a price of paper signed so she could change degrees, it just highlighted her sheer over dramatisation of the situation and I remember being so annoyed about how much emphasis she was putting on how she “never thoughts she’d ever drop her degree” 😱
Urgh don't even get me started on that video. It like saying "I destroyed all of my uni notes!!!!!... but organising them in a different way." Everyone who has actually dropped out of university be like :rolleyes:
 
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I've noticed that too and find it really odd. For most victims of childhood bullying (which she claims to have experienced), adulthood is a chance to start anew, move on, and realize that school bullies are oftentimes deeply hurt, individuals. So it puzzles me why she'd instead remain in the past and reminisce about being a child when, according to her, those were the most lonely years of her life.
I can see someone who has been bullied at school feeling that they’ve missed out on a positive educational experience and all the things that go along with that (friends, socialising etc.) and feeling that they should have the opportunity to re-do their childhood. Obviously that is never going to happen and what you need to do to be healthy, is accept the past and move on, possibly with professional help.

I don’t entirely get that vibe with Ruby - although of course we only see edited snapshots of her life, I get the impression that she had a very nice and comfortable childhood, with money, indulgent parents, a stable home and a decent educational experience, and she really doesn’t want to leave that behind. I think there’s a bit more to it in terms of Ruby’s mental health, but it’s very sad that she can’t see the positive side of growing up and becoming more independent, especially as in so many ways she’s cushioned from a lot of the things that cause you stress in adulthood. I don’t mean to say that people with money shouldn’t have poor mental health - that’s a ridiculous statement - but she does have the freedom to move into adulthood more gradually, which is something that a lot of young people don’t have.
 
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Beat me too it 😂

It's like she's just trolling us at this point 😂

I've never understood why someone like Ruby would ever need to plan meals... It's not like she's athletic or does any form of intense sport.

And she won't be meal planning to help her eat because she has an eating disorder, because she would never admit that.

Like who is this anal about planning everything, even down to what they eat? I do intense exercise and yet I don't need to plan my meals or anything really, a person who is serious about meal plans does meal prep instead (IMO).
The best thing? Ruby didn't even design this. Ruby had to commission someone else with healthy eating habits to make it, because she couldn't be trusted to do it herself, or has no concept of what a healthy meal planner would look like.

Even then, I don't think it's a great design and doesn't justify its existence with the example photos. Why would you be putting 'recipes to make one day' on a planner you'll be tearing off and throwing away at the end of the week? So I'd have to copy all my recipe ideas from each week's planner to another planner/notebook? Get the duck outta here with this redundant busywork bullshit.

Another example provided for a great use of the note section is to 'keep track of what you already have in'; I'm supposed to keep an inventory of my entire kitchen on this bleeping thing?? Who even needs this? Just make a blank, all-purpose planner in a variety of designs and 'aesthetics.'

So this planner is designed by someone called Mina Rome. Who is that? Well, if you were finding the planner through her Pumpkin Productivity store, you'd have zero idea - there's no mention of her full name or link to her channel/site. You have to somehow recognise Mina from her face/first name. Great work, Ruby! She's mentioned by her full name and linked and credited on the Pumpkin Productivity Insta though, right? Nahhhh. The only link to Mina's profile is in Ruby’s personal insta story, which will be gone in a day.

Mina seems to have her own established store/brand already, so I have no idea what she would gain hitching her wagon to someone as toxic as Ruby, but I hope she had a lawyer draw up a contract to make sure she gets paid for sales. Ruby would absolutely do everything she could to get out of paying money to a contractor/contributor. Like "You don't need money, you'll get paid in exposure! (Makes it impossible to find Mina's store/profile in every store page.)"
 
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The fact that she’s not even designing her own products for pumpkin productivity 🙃 This is down as “Mina’s Meal Planner” Getting flashbacks of her leaving her book club in the dust of her “business”… doing what?
 
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I am SO MAD that she's releasing a meal planner. On its own a meal planner isn't necessarily problematic - I plan what I'm going to eat over the week so I know what to buy at the shop - but after all this ED baiting? It's obvious that she has a problematic relationship with food and she's now monetising that. Meal planners have to be used carefully because they can make people more obsessive about food. She is so gross.
 
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Ffs we do not need to be normalising meal plans?? Unless you’ve been told to go on a meal plan by your doctor or dietician, you’re some sort of athlete or you’re trying to do it to improve your health/eating, you literally don’t need one.
Idk if it was anyone else releasing this maybe I wouldn’t say that, but bc it’s her it just feels so bleeping unhealthy and ridiculous to promote this.
 
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Beat me too it 😂

It's like she's just trolling us at this point 😂

I've never understood why someone like Ruby would ever need to plan meals... It's not like she's athletic or does any form of intense sport.

And she won't be meal planning to help her eat because she has an eating disorder, because she would never admit that.

Like who is this anal about planning everything, even down to what they eat? I do intense exercise and yet I don't need to plan my meals or anything really, a person who is serious about meal plans does meal prep instead (IMO).
To be fair I meal plan a bit. Not so strictly that I need an actual planner for it, but I am pretty careful. For me it’s mainly down to budgeting, to make sure I don’t buy anything I don’t end up using, and also to force myself to actually eat regularly + healthily (I don’t have an ED but my mental health has been a wreck for the past few months and it’s defo helped). I also seem to avoid food waste more with meal planning. That being said, clearly Ruby doesn’t have these concerns, and it’s highly alarming she’s now basically encouraging her followers to engage in the same unhealthy eating habits as her. If she has followers who are already leaning towards unhealthy eating habits who obsessively buy and use any old crap Ruby tries to sell them, this is surely going to push them into a full blown ED.

Also, her management must have some kind of say in the stuff she sells, how the duck have none of them said this was a bad idea?! Even if they don’t care from a moral perspective, surely someone would have pointed out that this is bound to result in more bad publicity for Ruby given the recent rise in concern about her health outside of this thread. How did nobody go “you know what, maybe we’ll delay the release of the meal planner for a few months”??? We all know Ruby is a moron, but her management seem to be truly useless at PR.
 
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