I have family members who are teachers and they come home with some really harrowing stories. Two of them work in inner city primary schools and so many of the parents just don’t care and see the children as a way to get money. Some have parents who are known drug addicts and are high around their children and when my relatives have tried to report them to social services and the authorities they have been told they don’t meet the threshold set to be at risk. The threshold being that as long as they aren’t shooting up in front the children then it’s ok. Social services do fail and because of the nature of their jobs when they fail it’s catastrophic. But from what I’ve been told so many people working with vulnerable children end up hitting a dead end because of ‘thresholds’ and other things that limit what they can legally do. Another was telling me that when social services visit a home and knock/ring the door bell and the parents/carer’s don’t answer, they legally can’t gain entry another way (like calling the police or getting another set of keys). There has to be a minimum of 3 missed appointments. I don’t know if this is nationwide or the law has changed (I was told this pre Covid) but the social visitor had a planned visit with Brunson and no one answered the door so she left - I think this happened another time before on the third attempt she got the landlady’s house keys. If this threshold wasn’t there maybe they could have saved Bronson.
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I don’t know how anyone goes into social work. Hats off to them as it’s an impossible job with so much red tape it must be heartbreaking knowing how so many cases will end yet the powers that be don’t back them or the laws are so heavily weighted against them
Saw on Twitter than the man was 45 years old, the woman was 36 years old and the two girls were young. Says the man has been named locally as a Polish man but haven’t seen his name reported anywhere else.
They have named him and his two daughters or identified should I say. But not the female visitor although they say she’s 36?
Probably his girlfriend or ex partner(my money would be on it being his ex). Horrible.
This says she is his sister-in-law
Man named after four family members including two young girls found dead
A quiet suburb on the outskirts of Norwich has been left shocked after a family of four, including two girls, were found dead at a house.
She’s probably not actually been called Elsa, I’m sure I remember seeing on a documentary once that the names they release for found babies are specifically designed to stick in people’s minds (as well as humanise the baby more by giving a name) so there’s more chance if they have suspicions it will stay present in their mind and is more likely lead to them coming forward.
Hopefully she’s got a lovely name the medical staff are actually calling her
I automatically assumed partner/ex partner but SIL?This says she is his sister-in-law
Man named after four family members including two young girls found dead
A quiet suburb on the outskirts of Norwich has been left shocked after a family of four, including two girls, were found dead at a house.www.eveningnews24.co.uk
wonder if its his brothers wife or exes sister
How strange
I wonder did she try to meditate on behalf of the girl’s mother, tragic story
I'm sorry if this upsets people but I don't feel sorry for the mother who dumped the poor little baby. She basically left her to die in the freezing temperatures. Thankfully she survived.
I realise there may have been exceptional circumstances (e.g. if mother was a victim of abuse and forced to dump the baby). If the mother actually made the choice to leave a baby out like that it's awful. Leave it in a hospital or something, don't sacrifice a child's life.
I realise there may have been exceptional circumstances (e.g. if mother was a victim of abuse and forced to dump the baby). If the mother actually made the choice to leave a baby out like that it's awful. Leave it in a hospital or something, don't sacrifice a child's life.
This is from the DM. She'd been helping look after him.I wonder did she try to meditate on behalf of the girl’s mother, tragic story
Pictured: Father and his two girls who were found dead in Norfolk
The bodies of Bartlomiej Kuczynski, 45, and his two children were found inside the home in Costessey, alongside that of a woman, who has not been identified, by police who forced their way in.
I always read these cases as the police are looking for the mum as they know that there must be something really wrong for a mum to abandon a baby like this. I always read it as they are looking to support her rather than punish.
I might be wrong but that's always been my assumption with how the police appeal for the mum.
It goes against nature and initial maternal instinct, same with animals. Something must be really wrong for a mum to abandon a newborn like this.
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It sounds like it doesn't it.I wonder did she try to meditate on behalf of the girl’s mother, tragic story
I totally get what you’re saying but postpartum psychosis is a very serious and debilitating illness which can mean the mother acts completely irrationally resulting in life threatening behaviour. Symptoms can include the mother having feelings and thoughts about harming her baby (and herself) - in these cases the mother sometimes abandons the baby to keep them ‘safe’ from themselves.
That doesn’t tend to present shortly before or immediately after birth though.
This is far more likely to be a scared young woman who has concealed her pregnancy and given birth alone.
I don't know if we can or can't feel sorry for the Mother unless we know her circumstances. It's really not often a black and white situation and not one we can really say "she should have at least done this" or "I would have done this" because unless you're in that situation, you just don't know. There was a newborn baby found dead inside a plastic bag in the woods opposite my house a few years ago, and it was heartbreaking, and I just think anyone in that situation must have been desperate but again, I don't know, I cannot judge.
I can see it from both sides. The idea of abandoning a tiny newborn in the street to die in the cold is horrific. But the idea of a terrified girl giving birth alone and feeling that she has to abandon the baby to die is equally terrible. Like you say @Ashlgr she must have been desperate.
A girl or woman who was not empowered to take control of her situation, many situations along the way (conception, pregnancy, birth). Empathy perhaps if not sympathy.
Maybe we need somewhere to ‘drop off’ these babies like they have in America. Think they’re known as safe haven boxes. Why do these stories always seem to happen when it’s bitterly cold?
Usually within one week. But yes, also very possible a young frightened mother.
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Quoting myself here but my error, I didn’t realise the baby was only an hour old, thought it was a few days.
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I was thinking this earlier (are you by any chance a Greys Anatomy fan?) - it sounds like the mother wanted the little lamb to be found in this case. Heartbreaking.
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